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  • American in Athens in Eleftheros Typos
    08 11 Congrats Kat I m impressed that they were willing to show the average Greek that foreigners do occasionally have complaints about Greece Usually whenever they interview foreigners on Greek TV it shows them praising the greatness of Greece and the wonderful time they had You never hear about the foreigners who missed their boat had rude service got ripped off by a taxi driver etc I was interviewed during the Olympics in 2004 and I told them it was shameful that the city was not more accessible to the disabled and as expected my comments were not aired with the rest Hell if all they want to hear is how great Greece is 24 hours a day that s fine with me but it s not realistic as you say Vassili wrote August 2nd 2007 at 10 00 Very well put Kat It s not negative just realistic You re being just as real as every guy in the Kafeneion who complains about high prices bad roads health care etc etc etc as Yul Brynner would say And since you re still here despite all this it shows how much more you love the place Thomas wrote August 2nd 2007 at 10 14 Congratulations I think some misrepresentation is inevitable when they try to summarise a blog I think they re pretty fair since they admit that the comparisons made on the blogs are justified as far as cost of living is concerned Actually now that I think about it considering they re journalists who can t even spell bloggers correctly you got pretty good treatment EllasDevil wrote August 2nd 2007 at 12 10 You mean we re no longer going down to throw rocks at their offices Man you could have told me sooner I booked the day off work Παναγιώτης wrote August 2nd 2007 at 12 27 Good morning The greeks are proud yet chauvinistic We always mumble and complain amongst ourselves about the mess in this country but when a foreigner points out the mess the Greeks all start to curse him that he speaks in an anti greek and hostile manner This is much like our lives It s always the state s or someone else s fault not ours We are like poor heirs It is announced that we have been given a huge legacy but as the peasants we are we waste it lavishly here and there and instead of nectar and ambrosia we are willing to feed on the trash of subculture that haunts our daily lives Greece is an extremely beautiful but cheap prostitute and the Greek is her pimp He is always telling her how beautiful she is how much culture she has how privileged he is in comparison to the ξένους but when they are alone he beats her sells off her precious treasures trades off her property and tries to convince her that all of this is happening because of her inabilities and weaknesses To my fellow countrymen who may be offended by my opinion let s face the truth let s not hide from ourselves The ξένοι also have problems in their countries but at least they don t try to convert their drawbacks to advantages Instead they try to solve them The longest it takes for a problem to be solved is from the cafeteria chatting to home And it stops there Let the TV brainwashing begin arammos wrote August 2nd 2007 at 14 57 You are not negative You are writing about the problems you are facing here The same probs we are facing too Very good news for your nice job I am happy for you PIC wrote August 2nd 2007 at 15 57 Kat I agree with Vassilis With all the problems and you still Love it here It reminds me of a comment I read on a blog awhile ago The blog host said something like I love Greece because I CHOSE to live here You Greeks HAVE to live here or something like that Panayiotis comments were very wise and I d like to borrow them yiannos wrote August 2nd 2007 at 16 56 panayiotis that was an excellent post i must admit Kat wrote August 2nd 2007 at 22 59 I m a bit baffled as to why only men commented on this post to date in any case First I want to say that as an American I acknowledge that the USA has issues and our President is not the brightest bulb in the box However I am willing and able to agree with or at least listen to any criticisms about my homeland and admit that it may not be the best country in the world All countries have their good and bad not just the USA and Greece PIC Indeed People thought I was exaggerating when I told them that my sibling and I got spit on and booed while wearing our USA team hats much like everyone from every nation was wearing their colors at the Peace and Friendship Stadium during Athens 2004 We ended up putting them away because no taxis would pick us up Vassili Well I have my moments of love and hate mostly when renewing my permit just like many others Thomas Thanks and so true You make a good point as always Arammos Why thank you And it s nice you took the time to say so between your sunning and swimming I hope you re having a great time Yiannos Thanks for stopping I ll get to the kudos in a second ED Hey I never said we were throwing rocks just uh well you know See you later and make sure your watch is synchronized And last but certainly not least Panagiotis What can I say The power and meaning behind your words are made ever more eloquent because they were said with feeling and courage Thank you for your words thank you for your readership but most of all thank you for your honesty Sydney wrote August 3rd 2007 at 00 07 I just wanted to pipe in congrats on the print media coverage Oh just wanted to add it s not just Greek TV and papers which only show foreigners who say good stuff We laugh a lot because every Swedish news article about a famous person quotes them as saying I love Sweden Or something very similar First what is the celebrity going to say when asked point blank What do you think of Sweden Second if she did say something like I think it s awful that people here don t smile or hold open doors would they print it No way And Paniotis I m so happy that you are blogging What a magnificent way to describe one of the internal issues Greece has Great post melusina wrote August 3rd 2007 at 00 27 Congrats on the mention even if it was a bit misinformed Your site is definitely not negative it is informative and yes realistic But I guess the perception is understandable I mean if you blog about stubbing your toe in Greece and you are a foreigner you are dissing Greece Honestly though your blog should be referred to by the U S Embassy because if I had had all this helpful information when I first moved here life would have been much easier Panagiotis said it all quite well It is an interesting sentimentality Greeks have about their country but a bit sad in a way Greece has such a great history Greeks deserve better PIC wrote August 3rd 2007 at 08 05 Sydney I found your comment about Sweden cute as well Interesting that they throw the microphone in front of the actors and ask their opinion of Sweden By contrast at least in the USA I remember several interviews done by the local news in Los Angeles asking tourists at the Airport in Los Angeles if they had a good time and their overall experience and comments on America Most said great things about California and the States however there were a few who said that America is overdoing it on Security and thought our war in Iraq was folly etc Did our local journalists in California censor this Nope they did not The good along with the bad was aired That is the difference KikiT wrote August 3rd 2007 at 12 10 Kat I think you do a great job on your blog and I find it relevant and reverant how informative it is to Expats from other countries trying to live their lives in Greece As a Greek living in Canada when I come to Greece I am treated with the worst regard and I don t think Greeks realise how they behave sometimes And it is sad as they feel like they are the most hospitable country going I find all your legal information Informative And your daily routine FUN I don t think describing your day in Athens as being negative because you can walk down the street of summer smell the blooming flowers watch the kids run through the streets and also get your heel caught in the crack of the sidewalk Doesn t mean you hate Athens I think you do a great job Tania wrote August 3rd 2007 at 14 03 Kat as they say no publicity is bad publicity It s great that your blog out of the hundreds in Greece and millions across the globe got a mention in a newspaper with such high readership in Greece Congratulations you deserve it I admire your eloquence and the very interesting comments you make on everyday situations Your entry about noise in Athens made me laugh and nod my head in agreement as you know Again sinharitiria Kat wrote August 3rd 2007 at 18 27 Now to the girls Syd Thank you for the compliment and the contrasting example Reminds of when I attended a concert in Canada and the reporter kept trying to get someone to say something positive They cut all the people who said anything critical even if it was constructive Mel You know what I think what Marios was saying is that he wholly acknowledges that there is negative stuff about Athens and my site justifiably details those things I believe it was a testament to what I present not a criticism although when I initially read it I didn t take it that way Or maybe I m just in denial that I was misrepresented And thank you for saying what you did about how helpful the content is I think the U S Embassy can t publish such things because its purpose is to provide services for U S citizens living here and Greeks seeking to go to the U S for travel or immigration purposes Personnel serve a diplomatic purpose and it s not really their job to guide expats who choose to transplant their roots Do you know what I mean They re in a very precarious position and need to maintain a balance between respect for the home country and intervene only in affairs within their legal boundaries I also believe Greece s inhabitants deserve better KikiT Well hey there Thanks for adding your comment and let me say that I don t hate Athens or Greeks or Greece and I m sure Mr Rozakos wasn t saying I did As I said before I believe he was acknowledging that Athens like any city has its drawbacks and praised this site for presenting that in a justifiable way You make a good point that Greeks from abroad even if you were born here are treated differently I have several Greek American and Greek Canadian friends who tell the occasional story that isn t unique to nationality or race I hope you stop in again and add your views on other posts for me it s good to have input from Greeks living abroad that visit on occasion Tania I can t thank you enough for your support and posting my blog as a link to the boards you manage I m glad that you Mimi and Angie and of course others stop in say hi and get a giggle here and there DD It s not that foreigners aren t allowed to be negative about Greece because of course you can do anything you want with or without permission or prior authorization I think it s a matter of being attacked after making such comments I believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion Hell I listen to people bitch and whine about America all the time even telling me I deserved to die in NY on 9 11 But you have to consider whether the source has credibility I have no hesitation to strike at someone who lacks it I believe people don t attack me because I ve built credibility by creating a life here from the ground up showing my devotion to Greece and walking my talk Maybe I m wrong maybe my day of reckoning is coming In any case I ve always believed that debates that light a fire under people is the first step to real awareness and change That s not to say racism or blatant terrorism is OK it s not However opening an angry dialogue is much better than silent apathy And as you know you cannot please everyone no matter the outcome Tania wrote August 4th 2007 at 05 46 Thanks Kat I wanted to add that I am often surprised and disgusted by some of the anti American sentiment in Greece aimed at individuals I was disgusted that you and your sibling were spat on there is NO excuse for that I am no fan of Bush and criticize him and his cronies often and loudly Unfortunately the Australian Government seems to follow him around like a little puppy dog but that s a whole other post We were in Greece when 9 11 happened and I was horrified by a couple of comments from people as was my dh and we told them so In fact we had a very heated argument with some idiot in the horio but I was not prepared to back down because it was blatant racism that was being spouted I think hating the U S government and its foreign policy is a different matter than taking it out on individual citizens Unforgivable I did read an interesting argument in a book recently must find the title and post it for you about the reason why a lot of Greeks hate the U S so much it is supposedly because the U S government supported the junta and the Greeks can never forgive the U S for that Not sure if that s true but it made me feel like I understood it a bit better I find your blog well balanced you are not a sycophant but you also don t overstate things in a negative way you state things as they are and I like that I suppose the whole thing about not being allowed to criticize if you are a xeni must be like not being able to criticize the inlaws because you re not really part of the family ridiculous really and obviously the people that say it are defensive because there is truth to what is being said This has now turned into an editorial instead of a comment sorry Kat wrote August 4th 2007 at 11 16 I wanted to note that at the water polo and basketball games I attended Greeks were booing everyone Italians Poles French not just Americans We really wanted Greece to win but switched our loyalty due to the behavior The guy next to us picked up on it and wondered why we wouldn t cheer anymore and I told him in Greek it was rude for the host nation to boo people and not extend warmth and friendship to our guests filoxenia generally but especially in line with the Olympic spirit The U S did support the junta and they ve not intervened on behalf of Greece with respect to the ongoing Cyprus division which is a humanitarian issue much like the U S s decision to bomb Kosovo that s hypocrisy I get that and I think it s wrong But the U S gave Greece a lot of money and support to rebuild after WWII I m not saying that makes it all better it doesn t I m saying that the U S has done something not nothing as many claim though it may not be enough I m saying that politics is a very volatile issue in which a country s citizens aren t responsible I mean I didn t vote for Bush twice and I live in Greece by choice Doesn t that speak volumes about my stance I ve had people come up to me in public places and ask me questions and I ve never minded that I prefer that than the stabbing looks of death and cursing Even the guys in Plaka make comments in Greek as I walk by and they re a little surprised when I confront them in their language I think dialogue helps build a bridge between people and that s one of the reasons I wanted to work for the U S embassy or the GNTO who better than a non Greek to promote Greece after all But maybe I can do more in a community person to person role as I am now I ve never been attacked on this site for what I present but like I said maybe my day of reckoning is coming Thank you for your comment editorial There s no reason for you or anyone to apologize for expressing their thoughts honestly even if they disagree with mine betabug wrote August 10th 2007

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  • OAED offices in Greece
    oaed gr Langada S Tsakmani 42 57200 Langadas Tel Fax 23940 22321 Email tylagada oaed gr Handles Arethousa Egnatia Langada Rentina Socho Vertiskou Larisa Ermogenous 10 41447 Larisa Tel 2410 564600 Fax 2410 564605 Email kpalar oaed gr Lavrio Fleming 24 19500 Lavrio Tel 22920 26445 Fax 22920 26442 Email kpalavrio oaed gr Handles Anavyssos Fokaia Kea Keratea Makronisos Saronida Livadeia Karagiannopoulou 118 Drosini 32100 Livadeia Tel 22610 23823 Fax 22610 80641 Email kpaliv oaed gr Loutraki El Venizelou 70 20300 Loutraki Tel 27440 67444 Fax 27420 67766 Email tyloutraki oaed gr Megaron 28th Oktovriou Silimvrias 19100 Megara Tel 22960 81974 Fax 22960 28004 Email kpameg oaed gr Handles Megara N Peramos Mesologgiou Sp Moustakli 30 30200 Meslongi Tel 26310 28162 Fax 26310 28833 Email tymesologi oaed gr Nafpakto Pl Tzabellaion 16A 30300 Nafpaktos Tel 26340 28779 Fax 26340 28779 Email tynafpaktos oaed gr Nafplio 3rd km of Nafplio Argos Nea Tiryntha Hwy Agapitou 10 21100 Nafplio Tel 27520 28386 or 22084 Fax 27520 25769 Email kpanafplio oaed gr Naousa Christodoulou Lanara 17 59200 Naousa Tel 23320 28381 Fax 23320 23191 Email tynaousa oaed gr Nea Moudania Plateia Omonias 8 63200 Nea Moudania Tel 23730 25418 or 22296 Fax 23730 22575 Email kpamoudan oaed gr Nigrita M Alexandrou 30 62200 Nigrita Tel 23220 24777 Fax 23220 23291 Email tynigrita oaed gr Orestiada Konstantinoupoleos 62 68200 Orestiada Tel 25520 24459 or 21070 Fax 25520 29469 Email kpaorest oaed gr Patra Ag Andreou 45 26221 Patra Tel 2610 630638 or 630617 Fax 2610 630700 Email kpapatra oaed gr Polygyros Polytechneiou 7 63100 Polygyros Tel 23710 23369 or 24875 Fax 23710 23364 Email None listed Preveza Massalias Tsavella 48100 Preveza Tel 26820 21312 or 89815 Fax 26820 21220 Ptolemaida Parmenionos 3 50200 Ptolemaida Tel 24630 23300 Fax 24630 24530 Email kpaptolem oaed gr Pyrgos 4th km Pyrgou Patron Hwy Katakolou Riga Feraiou 27100 Pyrgos Tel 26210 30462 or 20772 Fax 26210 36185 Email kpapyr oaed gr Sapes Alkiviadi 12 69300 Sapes Tel 25320 22116 Fax 25320 21066 Email None listed Serres 6th km of the Serres Thessaloniki Hwy Dimogeronton 4 62124 Serres Tel 23210 51740 or 51803 Fax 23210 99439 Email kpaseres oaed gr Sidirokastro Ag Nektariou 56 62300 Sidirokastro Tel 23230 23029 Email tysidirokastrou oaed gr Sparti Leonidou 73 23100 Sparti Tel 27310 81823 Fax 27310 26922 Email None listed Thiva Pelopidou Aggelidi 32200 Thiva Tel 22620 29205 Fax 22620 28965 Email kpathi oaed gr Trikala Kalabakas 128 Ioulietas Adam 21 42100 Trikala Tel 24310 39900 or 22099 Fax 24310 39652 Email kpatrikala oaed gr Tripoli End of Karaiskaki Peroxi Sechi Ag Georgios 22100 Tripoli Tel 2710 243691 Fax 2710 242753 Email kpatripoli oaed gr Veria Street before the Hospital that s what it says Asomaton area 59100 Veria Tel 23310 73301 Fax 23310 73466 Email kpaveria oaed gr Volos Dimitriados 9 38333 Volos Tel 24210 35375 Fax 24210 39825 Email kpavol oaed gr Xanthi Laxanokipon 2 67100 Xanthi Tel 25410 29609 Fax 25410 20175 Email kpaxanthi oaed gr On the Islands Andros See Pallini under Athens Chios Leof Karfa Ag Anastasias 82100 Lefkonia Chios Tel 22710 42958 Fax 22710 22074 Email tyxios oaed gr Crete Agios Nikolaou A Papandreou 53 Lasithiou 59 72100 Agios Nikolaou Tel 28410 82900 Fax 28410 22666 Email kpaagios oaed gr Crete Alikarnassos Irodotou 150 71601 Nea Alikarnassos Tel 2810 222489 or 330785 Fax 2810 228623 Email kpaalik oaed gr Crete Hania Tzanakaki 80 Kornarou Apokoronou 68 70 73100 Hania Tel 28210 71121 Fax 28210 86882 Email kpahania oaed gr Crete Ierapetra Kosti Palama 22 72200 Crete Tel 28420 22942 Fax 28420 27147 Email None listed Crete Irakleio Leof Knossou 255B Nathena Arxiepiskopou Makariou Faitaki 2 71409 Irakleio Tel 2810 342095 or 330295 Fax 2810 223394 Email kpairakl oaed gr or tyiraklio oaed gr Crete Rethymno Kriari 7 Dimokratias 36 74100 Rethymno Tel 28310 55953 Fax 28310 29297 Email kpareth oaed gr Crete Siteia Therisou 35 72300 Sitia Tel 28430 25334 Fax 28430 24415 Email None listed Evia Karystos and Styra are handled by Pallini under Athens Hydra See Peiraia Piraeus under Athens Ikaria Parados Dionysou 195 83300 Ag Kirykos Ikaria Tel 22750 23039 Fax 22750 23798 Email None listed Kea See Lavrio under Elsewhere on the Mainland Kefallonia Cephallonia Argostoli Lassis 3 28100 Kefallonia Tel 26710 26033 Fax 26710 22611 Email tyargostoli oaed gr Kerkyra Corfu 1st office Kerkyra Kon nou Zavitsanou 17 49100 Kerkyra Tel 26610 20270 or 39600 Fax 26610 39879 Email kpaker oaed gr 2nd office Lefkimmi Eth Stadiou 3 49080 Lefkimmi Kerkyra Tel 26620 23110 Fax 26610 22695 Email tylefkimi oaed gr Kos Panagi Tsaldari 9 85300 Kos Tel 22420 28747 Fax 22420 20850 Email tykos oaed gr Kythera See Peiraia Piraeus under Athens Kythnos See Peiraia Piraeus under Athens Lefkada Koutroubi Kalyvioti 31100 Lefkada Tel 26450 22362 Fax 26450 24460 Email tylefkada oaed gr Lesvos Mytilini Terpandrou 2 81100 Mytilini Lesvos Tel 22510 45802 Fax 22510 28091 Email kpamyt oaed gr Makronisos See Lavrio under Elsewhere on the Mainland Naxo Chora Naxou 84300 Naxos Tel 22850 24980 Fax 22850 26632 Email tynaxos oaed gr Handles Amorgos Donousa Ios Irakleia Koufonisia Naxos Schoinousa Paros Paroikia Parou 84400 Paros Tel 22840 23071 Fax 22840 23994 Email typaros oaed gr Handles Antiparos Paros Poros See Peiraia Piraeus under Athens Rhodes 1st office Rodos Th Sofouli 93 85100 Rodos Tel 22410 28910 or 44580 Fax 22410 37917 Email None listed 2nd office Archangelos Archangelos 85102 Rodos Tel 22440 24090 Fax 22440 23825 Email tyarxagelos oaed gr Samos Pythagora 3 83100 Samos Tel 22730 22003 Fax 22730 22005 Email tysamos oaed gr Santorini Thira Old town Thira 84700 Santorini Tel 22860 24816 Fax 22860 25891 Email tysantorini oaed gr Handles Anafi Folegandros Santorini Sikinos Thrasia Serifos See Peiraia Piraeus under Athens Spetses See Peiraia Piraeus under Athens Syros Ermoupoli Kimolou 5 84100 Syros Tel 22810 88000 or 83757 Fax 22810 81137 Email kpasyr oaed gr Handles Kimolos Milos Mykonos Sifnos Syros Tinos and islands near Naxos Thasos M Alexandrou 64004 Thassos Tel Fax 25930 23630 Email

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  • New Year’s in Greece
    butter or other dairy products are also made to Naiads nymphs that preside over fountains springs and wells and other spirits that protect rivers lakes and marshes to feed them though there are few who still practice this custom Many New Year s Day rituals have now been replaced by fireworks over the Acropolis and recovering from a night spent in hours of deadlocked New Year s traffic on the way to clubs and the hangovers that ensue However you spend New Year s I wish you a prosperous Καλή Χρονιά Kali Xronia and Χρόνια Πολλά Xronia Polla Related posts Countdown to the thing Winter sales in Greece Where to get a turkey in Greece for Christmas Main Sources The Real Twelve Days of Christmas Christianity Today Orthodox Research Institute The Christmas Cycle Mary Magdalene Orthodox Church How Orthodox Christians prepare for Christmas Mary Magdalene Church Greek and Cretan Christmas Customs sfakia crete com Christmas customs made in Greece Gourmed gr Vassilopita Cultured Traveler History of the pomegranate ozgrenade com au Website deleted Pomegranates Jewels in the fruit crown NPR Boat vs tree A conflict of Christmas cultures in Greece AFP Greece Myths and legends Το ρόδι και η κρεμμύδα Matia gr Thanks Stathis Ελληνικά Χριστουγεννιάτικα έθιμα Εναλλακτικές βασιλόπιτες με ρύζι τυριά ή κρέας Ta Nea Ρόδι ο κόκκινος θησαυρός Eleftherotypia Consultation with friends relatives and Orthodox priests Two years working at the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese In the News Greeks rely on lady luck bringing a lottery win euronews http bit ly GRNewYear Permalink 30 Comments Thomas wrote December 31st 2007 at 15 14 I had no idea the Epiphany was related to Christ s baptism I thought it was only for when the three guys showed up The feast of the Circumcision of Christ celebrates the first time Christ spilled his blood for mankind OK this is officially the first time I ve ever become queasy while reading a blog post By the way it s cool how the snow gathers at the bottom of my browser When you change the Christmas template this won t make sense any more Kat Reply December 31st 2007 at 19 44 T Actually Epiphany Revelation is three things The three guys as you call them His baptism and when water turned to wine Sorry for the queasiness but I did write it without graphic detail And the snow is only going until Jan 2 too bad I can t control it I d make it storm like heck rositta wrote December 31st 2007 at 17 40 That was a good post and an interesting lesson for me Snow What snow nothing like what is piling up in front of our door he he good try ciao and Happy New Year Kat Reply December 31st 2007 at 19 45 R Well what can I do It s Athens not Canada FMS wrote December 31st 2007 at 20 46 Given that Christ was definitely not born in December probably at the height of summer instead I am very sceptical about the alleged date of his circumcision This is not even to query why Christians celebrate a Jewish or Muslim ritual Overall I must confess to finding these medieval rites rather tedious and I would prefer Greeks just dealt with the present and the immediate future a little better Kat Reply December 31st 2007 at 19 46 F This was simply an informative post behind the meaning and origins of Greek New Year s customs Most people just do them without knowing why I found I also found the the majority don t perform a lot of these traditions anymore so they re not committed to the past either graffic wrote January 1st 2008 at 00 35 Not many words today Only to wish al of you Happy new year Kat Reply January 1st 2008 at 20 47 G Thanks I hope you had a nice time The Scorpion wrote January 1st 2008 at 09 10 Kat I wish the kids in my neighborhood would settle for a COIN for Callanta My wife makes me pull out my bank roll for them Years ago I thought a piece of fruit would suffice but even then the look I got said it all SHOW ME THE MONEY Kat Reply January 1st 2008 at 20 48 The S Fruit cookies and non monetary items used to be perfectly good rewards symbolizing good wishes for the children but modern day shows me that most don t want to sing or know why they re singing they just want the cash So instead of good wishes and blessing the house it becomes an exercise in beggary There are still some good kids out there though Cheryl s kids do a good job and for the right reasons in the spirit of the season She s taught them well Stathis wrote January 2nd 2008 at 13 51 Thank you for putting all this together Kat Happy new year and all the best Kisses Kat Reply January 2nd 2008 at 20 49 S Thank you for being supportive and providing me with some links in Greek I learned a lot as well Filia EllasDevil wrote January 3rd 2008 at 01 50 Καλή Χρονιά Φιλάκια Carole wrote January 4th 2008 at 20 32 Hi Kat I enjoyed reading about New Year s In Greece In particular I liked reading about putting a coin in the pita a family tradition that we still practice Good luck health and prosperity in 2008 Kat Reply January 4th 2008 at 21 50 C Many thanks It s good that some traditions still survive photene wrote January 5th 2008 at 17 19 Xrovia Polla Kat and Happy Happy New Year I learned a lot from this post and it seems my yiayia doesn t know EVERYTHING about the traditions or perhaps she s just left some out I had no idea about the onion or the details about the pomegranate she always has a pomegranate in the

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  • Why is American Labor Day in September?
    re elected Even the land of the free and home of the brave one can uncover a violent and ugly past Hot dog anyone Related posts Why is Veterans Day on November 11 Pilgrims and pumpkins Mayflower and myths Special thanks to Grits for his story idea Illustration from the Boise Idaho site Permalink 5 Comments Stathis wrote September 3rd 2007 at 23 33 Labor day is in may and as we say in Greece it is not a holiday but a strike a day of demonstration We had also dead in the May of 1936 tobacco workers demonstration in Salonica This is the main theme in the Epitaphios poem of Ritsos arammos wrote September 4th 2007 at 00 30 Nice post Kat And a very good comment from Stathis too We also catch the May in Greece at 1st May Kat wrote September 4th 2007 at 00 48 Right in the 3rd paragraph of the post I already said Greece celebrates in May with a day of demonstration outdoor activities some go to pick flowers for the wreath or both All countries celebrate differently Thanks for adding the 1936 info that s something I didn t know PIC wrote September 4th 2007 at 08 02 And here all along I had always heard that May 1st was the Communist May day all around the world See what a little propaganda can do graffic wrote September 4th 2007 at 14 13 We all celebrate your achievments USA In Spain it s also the 1st of May Question Who here works only and always 8 hours per day Your comment Name required E Mail Required not published Website optional Click to cancel reply Notify me of follow up comments via e mail HTML Tags a href title abbr title acronym title b blockquote cite cite code del datetime em i q cite strike strong Greek News RT PGiannakouris Clouds over the ancient Acropolis hill Ap photo Petros Giannakouris https t co jFy9mSPzNA RT nytimesworld Tales of break ins burglaries and robberies accompany the Greek debt crisis http t co dPVxf6vOb2 http t co diLJm39OQa RT graemewearden Greek parliament approves bailout reform package as it happened http t co qs5iiGi4Ju http t co 64IhO9LCts RT TheEconomist Here is an effort to explain the Greek deal in all its absurdity http t co M5vRLtUHr3 http t co a245q6cV6h Banks open today in Greece but many limitations and capital controls still in place naftemporikigr http t co JgPaqMcgIK RT TheEconomist No means yes Signing a humiliating agreement is just the start for Greece http t co UyDFKUZ6rB http t co G26avOjX3E RT graemewearden Greek crisis Protests in Athens ahead of tonight s bailout vote live Photos Reuters AP http t co qpBFeTSk6F http Follow livingingreece Best of 1 KTEL Buses of Greece 2 Acquiring EU citizenship through ancestry or naturalization 3 Jobs and salaries in Athens Greece 4 Free Greek language lessons 5 Best places to work in Greece 6 Should I move to

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  • What is the significance of August 15?
    Helen docked her boat and found the Holy Cross then a temple was built There are also a number of smaller but no less significant celebrations in Alonissos Andros Amorgos Arkadia Astypalaia Folegandros Ioannina Ithaca Karpathos Kassos Kefallonia Koufonisia Lesvos Nisyros Serifos Tzia and village squares all over Greece with some lasting up to nine days Sources Readings from my years working at the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese Όλη η Ελλάδα τιμά τη Μεγαλόχαρη Ta Nea Celebrating the Virgin Mary around Greece To Vima Δεκαπενταύγουστος στην Αστυπάλαια Open Calendar Related posts Pros and cons of Athens Greece in August Mary s Name Day New Year s in Greece A pomegranate an onion and a Vassilopita Shortlink http bit ly axq1q1 Permalink 2 Comments λ ηρ wrote August 15th 2007 at 17 04 The day is also observed by the Catholic church The Greek feast is somewhat of a national holiday though So is the feast of a the Holy Spirit Are we such a spiritual nation Maybe Or perhaps we have discovered a rather effective way for collectively taking a day off every now and then Kat wrote August 15th 2007 at 17 55 That s absolutely true however I wrote the post so people here in Greece where Orthodox Christianity reigns understand why we re taking the day off I believe people are as spiritual as they want to be either because of or in spite of religion Your comment Name required E Mail Required not published Website optional Click to cancel reply Notify me of follow up comments via e mail HTML Tags a href title abbr title acronym title b blockquote cite cite code del datetime em i q cite strike strong Greek News RT PGiannakouris Clouds over the ancient Acropolis hill Ap photo Petros Giannakouris https t co jFy9mSPzNA RT nytimesworld Tales of break ins burglaries and robberies accompany the Greek debt crisis http t co dPVxf6vOb2 http t co diLJm39OQa RT graemewearden Greek parliament approves bailout reform package as it happened http t co qs5iiGi4Ju http t co 64IhO9LCts RT TheEconomist Here is an effort to explain the Greek deal in all its absurdity http t co M5vRLtUHr3 http t co a245q6cV6h Banks open today in Greece but many limitations and capital controls still in place naftemporikigr http t co JgPaqMcgIK RT TheEconomist No means yes Signing a humiliating agreement is just the start for Greece http t co UyDFKUZ6rB http t co G26avOjX3E RT graemewearden Greek crisis Protests in Athens ahead of tonight s bailout vote live Photos Reuters AP http t co qpBFeTSk6F http Follow livingingreece Best of 1 KTEL Buses of Greece 2 Acquiring EU citizenship through ancestry or naturalization 3 Jobs and salaries in Athens Greece 4 Free Greek language lessons 5 Best places to work in Greece 6 Should I move to Greece 7 Taste of America in Greece 8 How to start a business in Greece 9 Athens Greece Cost of living Best of An American in Athens 1 Four

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  • Significance of Oxi Day on October 28 in Greece
    a friend that love war stories He loves them so much that even if he studied computer science in his final year he prepared a document about Aegean war ships He was also the one who told me about the german delay to go to russia and other stories about the germans in Crete The wikipedia although is useful sometimes contains a lot of incorrect things Only if you re an expert on the subject you can fix them But if you re an expert you don t ask wikipedia Dino wrote October 31st 2007 at 23 37 ein stepenwolf Salonica fell because there were no real forces defending the city since the bulk of the Greek army and the not long ago commonwealth expeditionary force were either in the Albania front or in Thrace to protect the north east from a hovering Bulgarian offensive Even the commonwealth force numbered a puny 50000 men Greece was attacked at the same time by Italy Germany and Bulgaria already exhausted financially and militarily by a 6 month campaign At the point were the Germans entered there was practically no Greek army and the army in Albania was cut off between Italians and Germans The fact that op Barbarossa was delayed is by means no fiction since Hitler stated that later to Finish Field Marshal Mannerheim In recognition of their indeed firece resistance greek soldiers were not taken prisoners and officers were allowed to keep their side arms Greece at the time was about 7 million and Germany Bulgaria and Italy a combined 100 Still Greece from October 28th 1940 until may 41 when Crete fell managed to hold Remind you France fell in 8 days Just a bit of a history insight mein ein stepenwolf exa wrote January 5th 2009 at 12 13 Greeks are so proud of the word filotimo as it can t be directly translated and in my experience thats all they can be proud of I have experienced the true act of the word by foreigners and more around the world by the Greek diaspora than dopyi in Athens and Greece where I have a big Greek family and friends Greeks in Greece need to stop resting on their olive laurels in my opinion Marlena wrote October 28th 2010 at 00 41 I am in Greece for Oxi Day this year and thank you for your poignant and inspiring words I am very proud to be Greek and know this country can handle the difficult times and will ultimately triumph Vasilis wrote October 28th 2010 at 01 03 I m Greek and proud also but my eyes are open not blinded by nostalgia pride or nationalism It s easy for Greeks who don t live in Greece full time to fool themselves into thinking the country will weather the storm They re not even here But Greeks created this mess so we can t be too clever can we We should have said Oxi to self indulgence corruption

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  • Greek property tax
    George wrote October 22nd 2011 at 07 32 Comment 1 i can t find your most recent comments column Has this been removed Comment 2 I finally found your response to my question on the most recent comments I think this is the main reason I asked because I love reading your answers to people but it s so difficult to find what the latest comments are unless you read each of your articles one by one again i mean the answers part So yes I admit I m being lazy and just wanted it all ready for me to see what you have answered to people So if the most recent comments are gone for good I ll adjust and just spend more time on the site finding the comments Did I tell you I love the site Kat Reply October 22nd 2011 at 08 47 Answer 1 Yes I removed it Is there a reason you need or want it restored Answer 2 But why do you or anyone but the commentator need to read the answers They do not pertain to you and you have not contributed to the discussion Perri wrote October 22nd 2011 at 08 53 Thanks for clear and concise writing on a convoluted subject Question Many people on Crete had houses built but were not able to have residential electricity connected as the builders themselves owed too many back taxes The builders had construction electricity connected during the build which was eventually disconnected Now the houses although new are uninhabitable Your article states that eventually bills will be sent to owners with solar power do you think owners who can not get electricity will have to pay The result of having the power cut is not really an issue as there is none Thanks so much Kat Reply October 22nd 2011 at 09 19 No what I say in the first sentence of the article is all properties will be assessed the tax And in the comment I said the tax office would send bills to all property owners directly I did not specify only those with solar power Your second question is already answered under What if I refuse to pay in the third paragraph Seitis wrote October 25th 2011 at 12 43 Comment 1 I own a house which is empty I don t live in Greece The electricity and water have already been cut off The value of the house is not more than 100 000 120 000 euros as it needs refurbishing and repairs done to the ceilings Does that exempt me Thank you Comment 2 Apologies I certainly did read the article It wasn t the fact of living abroad that concerned me but rather the fact that we have had no electricity supply or water supply since July 2011 If I am still due to pay I don t know where the bill would be sent the house was rented out to someone during the past few years or how I could possibly even find it at this point Comment 3 I still don t understand whether the bill would be sent to my address or to the lady who used to rent the flat I would appreciate a politer reply It s tough enough already coping with the situation from abroad Seitis Kat Reply October 25th 2011 at 13 20 Answer 1 I get the feeling you didn t read the article because the answer is clear Article says it makes no difference if you live here or not Under Exemptions it says residential property without power connected is not exempt If you own it and no exemptions apply you pay No Answer 2 Again already answered in the article above under When can I expect a bill Answer 3 In your first comment you said electricity isn t connected Therefore no one will be getting an electricity bill The ex renter won t be getting anything because electricity isn t connected and she isn t the property owner In your second comment you asked where you would get the bill In the section I quoted it says that the tax office will bill property owners directly at the last known address on file with them I m a journalist keeping this website in my unpaid spare time and am under no obligation to assist anyone It says in my Comments policy that I will delete redundant questions and in the article above it says I prefer that people query the relevant authorities Instead of deleting your questions I answered them both and then repeated those answers a second time I do not see where I have been rude to you You are free to research the subject on your own and enlist the assistance of civil servants being paid by our taxes Anne Marie wrote October 25th 2011 at 18 41 I want to thank you for the nice job you are doing for us It s a great help to read your info and translations I really appreciate it and wish you all the best Anne Kat Reply October 26th 2011 at 01 07 I appreciate you saying so It s very easy to keep going doing what I do when I know there are people like you Andy wrote October 26th 2011 at 20 09 Thank you for this article giving so much needed information My wife and I are UK pensioners retired in Greece We are taxed by the UK on our pensions The Property Tax on my house represents nearly 10 of the combined UK Government Pensions received by my wife and I We are already paying higher taxes in the UK to help with their deficit We have lived in Greece for a short time and have been pensioners for all of this time Why are we being asked to pay off Greek Debt that we did not contribute to or benefit from Kat Reply October 27th 2011 at 01 02 For many Greeks the property tax described above is 100 percent of their monthly salary pension and nearly 20 percent of the population is unemployed which means they can t pay and face having their electricity cut soon Lots of people feel the way you do The only answer I can give is what s true worldwide the many pay for the sins of a few I take nothing and give everything the only way I can get away from it is to cut all ties with Greece You have the option to do the same Rhapsody wrote October 29th 2011 at 13 18 Thank you for all your valueable information It is always written in an easy and understandable manner which is so vital to those of us whom have limited Greek I especially appreciated your new tax DEH article Kat Reply October 29th 2011 at 23 16 Don t feel bad about having limited Greek Even Greeks speaking native Greek have trouble understanding various laws as they are announced amended changed again mis interpreted and then implemented or not It s not you I appreciate you stopping by and hope to see you again dan wrote October 31st 2011 at 00 16 Hi Kat Greetings from England I only found this site since the media here talk about the property tax without explaining how it will work yours is an excellent explanation the tax looks swingeing and as you say it is guaranteed to go up I have spent a fascinating few hours here good luck to you all and thanks for the site dan Kat Reply October 31st 2011 at 01 13 Hello For years I felt the way you do reading things in the media without understanding the details of who what why and how which is one reason I started this website and choose to cover subjects that I myself would want further explanation Thank you for the kind words and giving me a few hours of your time Pleasure is mine Donna wrote October 31st 2011 at 16 41 I Have 24 studios in Zakynthos but am not classed as a hotel i do have a e o t licence for 15 rooms would i still be liable to pay for the full sq mtr as this would be VERY expensive for me to pay i am struggling along as it is x Donna x Kat Reply October 31st 2011 at 23 08 If your studios aren t classified as hotels but you have an EOT license I suggest you verify what you re obligated to pay in the way of property tax with the tax office nearest you It s a gray area I cannot answer myself and do not want to mislead you John wrote November 1st 2011 at 12 58 Very many thanks indeed for your excellent information I am English and own a property on Andros I have struggled to find any other coherent explanation of the pernicious new tax I am somewhat relieved to know the scale of the problem if no clearer on how I am going to afford to pay it Very best wishes and thanks again John Kat Reply November 1st 2011 at 16 03 Thanks so much for your kind words and sharing your thoughts Glad to be of help Anna wrote November 2nd 2011 at 22 19 I am a dual citizen Greek US and am relieved to say that I have just sold a small flat in Hydra Greece in July 2011 I live in the US and just received an email from the realtor to pay the Ekkatharastiki tax of 249 Euros no explanation given I have asked her to scan and email to me Do you know what this is and if so what is the formula for arrving at that number The selling price was 110 000 Euros Thanks for a great website Kat Reply November 2nd 2011 at 22 50 Based on the little information you provided and the fact you haven t seen the bill how can I be expected to give an answer on this Anything I say would be pure conjecture and that s not how I operate Wait to see the scan and come back if you are not able to determine what it is Christine wrote November 3rd 2011 at 14 16 this is a great article no one where I have a property was able to give me this information they seem confused However I am wanting to ask about inheritance of my own property my husband died in April I am British as was my husband I am being told by my lawyer and bookeeper that under Greek law my two daughters inherit part of the house However in a will my husband left everything to me I paid to have the will translated by the lawyers translator but on the last day of my visit to Greece she told me the translation was bad and to get it done again in the UK The bookeeper says I need to prove I don t have a second property in UK which I don t and provide a certificate of nearest relatives as well as the will I have until next April to deal with this I believe I have tried every thing I can think of to find out the correct information including embassies they can t help In my six years in Greece I used your site many times for advice can you tell me how to get the information on what documents are needed I thought forced inheritance didn t apply to non Greek nationals Kat Reply November 3rd 2011 at 19 00 From what little I know UK wills are recognized in Greece in theory but do not automatically override Greek laws of forced inheritance It depends on many things a Citizenship b domicile c interpretation d provisions etc This is why most people are advised to have different wills for different countries I found this article through a simple Google search Do English wills cover Greek properties Financial Times Under Have a question in my article I say clearly that I am a journalist and not a lawyer accountant inheritance expert and the like I also find it strange that you re paying a lawyer and bookkeeper to help you but seeking advice from me without payment to help them do their jobs If you are not satisfied with their services you need to seek out someone you feel is more competent and trustworthy or at least get a second opinion from a UK Greek lawyer specializing in inheritance Thank you for your long time readership though I regret I don t recall you commenting before Michele wrote November 4th 2011 at 12 56 Thank you for the great article I live in the US and I am trying to learn as much as I can about the new taxes in Greece Cities here are filing bankruptcy and I fear we are going to see many of the same taxes and cuts Greece is now facing The media coverage of Greece is horrible in the United States It is very difficult to find any coverage at all Thank you for all you are doing Greece Will Fall Page 17 wrote November 7th 2011 at 15 40 MPs approve deeply unpopular property tax with a heavy heart Business The Guardian sau aici Greece s new property tax Pana pe 27 septemebrie nu exista nici un impozit ii drept ca nu aflasem ca or indraznit totusi mike c wrote November 9th 2011 at 15 51 HI Just seen and read your article Thanks for your time and trouble Very helpful Have a old house in Crete that I use for about four months of the year so higher bills coming Given the Greek debt and other probs I think they will back out of the euro in about 12 18 months with a lower debt thanks to the EU Interesting times ahead I think All the best keep up the good work Mike MJLawe wrote November 9th 2011 at 16 32 I m not really clear on who pays the tax if it s a rental I own an apartment in Athens that I just started renting recently Am I responsible for the tax when the renter pays everything else pertaining to the apartment Kat Reply November 9th 2011 at 17 34 I cannot make it more clear Good luck Conan wrote November 11th 2011 at 20 01 Hi Must say that you are the best It s actually hard to find information about this s t tax Anyway hope you can give mee an answear on this My father I law past away for some years ago and my wife and her brothers were written on his part of a property that was shared with his sister So now there are 4 owners of this house Actually it s one apartement and some other rooms and a basement that was used as a car workshop Anyway the sister is living in the apartement and there is no activity in the workshop anymore My wife is written in the property but she can t use the apartement because the sister is living there We are living in another country My wife does nt have any incoming because she is sick leave and now those tax payments are coming What should we do Best Regards Conan Kat Reply November 11th 2011 at 20 48 Unfortunately the Greek tax office and electric company do not care about any of the circumstances you described If you cannot pay and you do not qualify for one of the exemptions listed above the electricity will be shut off and the property will be repossessed to pay any outstanding debts This is the law and they are within their rights to do it Georgia wrote November 14th 2011 at 18 46 You re right it s another type of emergency tax law passed for Greeks living abroad who own a property in Greece We must pay a minimum tax of about 250E based on ZERO income though we don t live and work in Greece It s another way of getting help from the Greeks living in Canada US etc Concerning the emergency property tax the formula states only for properties less than 26 years old will be taxed Is this correct Kat Reply November 14th 2011 at 21 26 No that s not what I say in the article Look at the sections Who Must Pay plus Age of property under How Much Will I Pay photini wrote November 16th 2011 at 19 14 Comment 1 I am 56 years old and reside in South Africa I inherited an office over 47 year old building in central Athens which is used by the University in Ippokratos street and from this I only receive E850 every February April July and October giving me a total income of E3400 I suppose I will be taxed on this as well 29m2 I also have my late mums apartment in Kallithea opposite Pandio University this building is exactly 47 years old too I do not reside there and maybe come visit every 2nd or 3rd year 49m2 I am a housewife here in South Africa and earn no income other than the rental from the University how does this affect me regarding the age of the buildings and the fact that I do not earn an income I look forward to your comments on the above kind regards Comment 2 Thank you for your response and God bless you Kat Reply November 16th 2011 at 21 14 Answer 1 Doesn t matter if you live in South Africa doesn t matter how old the buildings are doesn t matter how often you visit Greece or what your income is If you own these buildings you pay the property tax unless you qualify an exemption listed above If you cannot pay the electricity will be shut off if it is connected and the tax office will take possession of your properties to pay off the debt That s the law Answer 2 No problem Please take care David wrote November 25th 2011 at 15 03 Comment 1 Hello Kat I have a question to which I think only you may be able to provide an answer I have searched high and low for the solution but simply cannot find one The riddle is this Evangelos Venizelos has said Greece will need 80 billion euros of the second bailout loan of 130 billion by the end of January 2012 But I don t see how that can be when we know that if or when the 6th tranche of the first bailout loan of 110 billion is actually delivered to Athens there will be 48 billion remaining in the kitty from the first bailout My record of the tranches is as follows 1st tranche May 2010 20 billion 2nd tranche July 2010 9 billion 3rd tranche Nov 2010 9 billion 4th tranche March 2011 4 billion 5th tranche July 2011 12 billion 6th tranche 2011 8 billion Total 62 billion 110 billion minus 62 billion 48 billion remaining after 6th tranche I can think of only two solutions 1 48 billions worth was delivered to Athens prior to the first tranche and so is no longer in the kitty Is that so 2 Between the release of the 6th tranche of the first bailout and Venizelos requiring 80 billion from the 2nd bailout in January 2012 further tranches totalling 48 billion need to be delivered to Athens in late December and early January Kat if you can shed any light on this at all could you please email me Or if you can t work it out either could you just drop me a line saying Nope Flummoxed as well Many thanks David Comment 2 Kat thanks very much indeed for that response It could well be then that when Venizelos made that statement about needing 80 billion of the second bailout early hext year he hadn t considered the figures the tranches received so far and the tranches to come So let s just go with the expectation that after the sixth tranche 48 billion will still remain in the first bailout kitty for dishing out in future tranches We ll have an idea of whether this assumption is correct or not once we all start to hear of drama surrounding the seventh tranche Best Wishes David A Kiwi in England Comment 3 HiKat I now have the answer to the puzzle An official of the Bank of Greece has advised me that the first bailout loan of 110 billion is to consist of 12 tranches and indeed there will be about 40 billion left to be tranched So if we marry this info with what Venizelos recently declared it seems that he believes the other 6 tranches are all going to have to come at one time along with a good chunk of the 130 billion of the 2nd bailout loan But no one s talking about this drama yet from what I can see I guess there s enough to be getting on with But it looks like drama there will be Best Wishes David Kat Reply November 25th 2011 at 19 10 Hi David Answer 1 I m flattered you think I could be the only to help you figure this out but I m sure my friends at WSJ are far more qualified There are 15 questions in the queue a dozen updates to articles and 10 plagiarism claims that will take me hours to sort out thus preventing me from publishing new material again this week and spending time to research your excellent inquiry and email you the answer Two things I can tell you off the top of my head a There were no tranches before the first in May 2010 b Venizelos is a lawyer and has absolutely no education or real experience in economics or finance so he depends heavily on advisers which may explain why his policies and figures are muddled His appointment was largely political Giorgos Papakonstantinou was far more equipped to handle the job not to mention credible and well respected amongst other finance ministers in the EU Answer 2 I understand the 7th tranche of 89 billion will be needed in February or March of 2012 which is supposedly 8 billion from the original program and 80 billion from the new program And the 8th tranche will be 125 billion according to figures published in To Vima Wishing you all the best Answer 3 Hi David Thank you for coming back to share that information which is similar though not as detailed as what I said in Answer 2 If memory serves me correctly Shakespeare s MacBeth has fewer acts and dare I say less tragedy than Greece has bailout tranches All best Michael wrote November 28th 2011 at 01 53 Very informative Thank you very much It helped a lot Freddie wrote December 6th 2011 at 18 55 Our house is 200squ ms which is declaired to the tax office However on the electricity bill the size is quoted as only 68squ ms Should I correct this and will I pay a penalty for it being incorrect Kat Reply December 6th 2011 at 20 29 It s your decision to have it corrected or find out why there is a discrepancy I cannot advise people on how to handle their private affairs Sarah wrote December 10th 2011 at 14 45 Kat Thanks for all your insights wisdom and wit Recognizing that your blog is nearly 5 years old now and that I m a wee bit late to the party I was wondering if I could ask a couple of possibly stupid bigger picture type questions unrelated to this post Disclaimer I ve been reading your articles for roughly 4 straight hours but this is my first visit to your site so I m probably just not looking in the right place 1 Do you have a Categories tab or a way to browse beyond what s listed in your Best of column I noticed in a couple of older posts that you referred folks to the search bar and categories tab I can t find the latter which is making navigation a bit challenging esp since I m like 4 1 2 years behind 2 Finding myself in the nascent stages of living working in Greece I didn t see many articles related to schools like primary schools for children I have a mancub who will need a proper education He s currently 3 I was looking at American British and International private schools in Greece earlier today It seems there are several options many in Athens some in Thessaloniki sp Any insights on that scene process that you or one of your colleagues could offer would be most welcome You know incase the economic crisis and overhaul of the tax code aren t keeping you busy enough just an idea Keep up the good work and once your book gets published I m buying it for a few friends Good luck with that I know it can t be easy with the goal posts constantly moving Best Sarah Kat Reply December 10th 2011 at 23 19 Hi Sarah You re not late People are free to hop on or off depending on their needs at the time 1 The Categories were removed because no one was using them and it s been my intention to implement a site wide change based on plans I ve already drawn up but time and paid personal commitments limit what I can and am willing to do 2 I have nothing on this website about schools and children because lots of forums and Foreign Women in Greece groups Facebook clubs organizations tend to discuss these and I like to cover topics that no one else does There are 300 articles in a state of constant update as you recognized and I have plans for 200 more articles but it still wouldn t cover everything as English language news agencies do less and Greece and its laws evolve I alone run the website Twitter feed and answer everyone s questions and I don t know anyone with the rare combination of expertise and insanity to take my place or at least share responsibility I appreciate you saying hello and the words of encouragement Hope to see you again Aristos wrote December 10th 2011 at 14 45 Thank you for his very helpful article I am very upset with this tax I have a house in Greece but live in England I come to Greece twice a year and support the economy by spending my money in Greece rather than other countries I am now asked to pay property tax for coming there and staying in my house three weeks a year It is unfair I am now going to try and sell my house and use the money to buy in another country that supports my interests better I am sure this tax will have a very detrimental effect on the Greek economy in the long run In the short run it is a quick fix for monetary problems in Greece but in the long term it is a warning for anyone thinking of investing in Greece to look elsewhere Thanks Aristos Kat Reply December 10th 2011 at 23 35 Lots of people in and outside Greece share your feelings saying How many times must we pay for our lives There was a noticeable shift from optimism to despair after the third VAT hike affecting everyday basics like food water and electricity and I m not sure how much more we can take Even before the debt crisis Greece had not been an attractive country to prospective business investors and residential prices were and still are inflated which baffles economists and buyers alike S wrote December 19th 2011 at 05 55 Comment 1 A most comprehensive and lucid article I have come across to date I ve forwarded the link to everyone I remembered has property in Greece Dont understand why non Greek property owners are making such fuss about the tax though I dont know about other countries but council taxes are much more expensive in the UK and my friend living in Berlin pointed out that they are much more expensive in Germany too Greece has to make a start somewhere to put its affairs in order and it is going to be a bumpy ride for a long time for most Non Greeks who chose to make Greece their home have benefited in some way or another from the chaos which reigns reigned I live in hope here in Greece Comment 2 I am Greek by birth and currently I am in the UK seeing to affairs but my main domicile is Greece where I shall return at start of February I also spend quite a bit of time in the Czech Republic which I also feel to be my home culturally and linguistically I am neither rich nor poor and in the UK I am taxed on my UK income and in Greece I pay the dues and taxes demanded of me on the income generated in Greece I am not an accountant to understand fully the macro economics of a tax system except to understand that like in a business the state needs an income for its functioning and this is best done through a taxation system Greece needs a taxation system and it must start somewhere The blessing of Papandrou is that he has brought to the surface some of the many maladies of the Greek infrastructure However it is a long and bumpy ride ahead of us In the Uk I pay rates on property I own without concessions as the UK authorities consider the property to be my second home and I expect to receive no imbursement from Greece which is listed as my first residence There are greater needs than mine I regret my sweeping statement non Greeks without having given due thought and consideration to the manyfold ethnic labour force of Greece who in the end will suffer most the implemented austerity measures My remark was aimed at non Greeks who have found the loopholes in the Greek chaotic system to their advantage for purposes of off shore investment or some other activities often stated as non profit without paying even the most minimal obligatory dues The pages of the Owners Direct Site and similar advertising sites are full of advertised holiday accommodation owned by non resident non Greek owners who have not paid their obligatory dues nor taxes albeit by the new eurounion law they are supposed to declare this income somewhere The Greek chaos provides a loophole Kat Reply December 19th 2011 at 07 09 Answer 1 Plenty of everyone including Greeks who make up the majority have complained about this tax because the amount being billed isn t relative to the income we earn and we know it won t be used properly when paid as the gov t continues to overspend Your last sentence is tinged with arrogance and assumes that all non Greeks living in Greece are well off or ignorant of reality and that s simply not true Germany and the UK enjoy wages and a standard of living far higher than Greece so of course taxes should be higher UK residents also enjoy a lot more social benefits payments than Greeks It s clear that you believe non Greeks have no right to voice the same opinions that Greeks do which is chauvinistic and a common characteristic amongst Greeks who live outside Greece and visit seasonally Also when you say here in Greece don t you mean the UK That s where your IP originates and likely your domicile Answer 2 Papandreou did not expose poor infrastructure as it s been there for decades in plain sight he was only the first who tried to clean it up accompanied by heavy handed EU ECB IMF conditions for bailout that Greece could not escape Greece is made up of 90 percent Greeks who understand the language and treat tax evasion as sport whereas non Greeks barely understand the language and cannot keep up with laws unless they hire a Greek to help them Even if they all participated unlikely this country didn t get to where it is because a 10 percent minority of foreigners is benefiting from loopholes chris wrote December 22nd 2011 at 09 30 I have read with great interest your articles and also the questions posed to you Thank you for creating it I am an English retiree who with my wife decided to move and live permanently in Greece in 2005 We purchased land and had an 86 square meter house built on it Every year we go to our accountant and complete our tax return As I or my wife have never worked in Greece naturally we are not entitled to unemployment payments or a pension so our tax returns show this I have asked my accountant to submit a claim for a refund on our property tax and exemption from paying the tax again because we do not and never have claimed unemployment or pensions from the Greek Government as we are not entitled to and we are not earning wages in Greece therefore we fall into the category of penniless people The pensions I receive are from England for what I contributed in England Is the Greek Government allowed to state that my pensions from England are Greek pensions and if so how can they do that On another note surely the government are using blackmail tactics and would blackmail tactics be upheld in the European Court Kat Reply December 22nd 2011 at 20 29 You do not fall in the category of penniless people because you draw a pension from the UK which is considered income and you own a home which is considered an asset Penniless people have nothing The Greek government doesn t consider a UK pension to be a Greek pension but income is income no matter where it comes from and disclosure of it on a tax return is obligatory in at least one country Everything I m saying should have been easily answered by your accountant Whether this is classified as blackmail is subjective The European Court hears objective cases that pertain to violations of laws and directives Judy wrote January 3rd 2012 at 20 09 We are Americans who have a house on the Peloponnese We come to Greece three times a year for three weeks or so each time At this point we re not planning to retire permanently to Greece but may I ve read all the information about that What I haven t found is any information about purchasing a car in Greece if you are a non resident tourist Can we do this It s expensive to rent and we d love to have a car sitting waiting for us when we arrive Kat Reply January 8th 2012 at 01 07 I can certainly understand why purchasing a car is preferable to renting in your situation The straight answer is that Americans non EU citizens and non Greek EU citizens need a residence permit to purchase and register a vehicle in Greece Years ago they didn t enforce this rule but they are now However the auto industry in suffering now and there may be car dealerships willing to sell you a car and get the paperwork done without one Which ones There s no way to know On your next visit make inquiries

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    of Athens or Διεύθυνση Τροχαίας Αττικής Dievthysi Trochaias Attikis Th Diliyianni 24 26 4th Floor Θ Δηλιγιάννη 24 26 4ος όροφος Fax 210 528 4030 Hours Monday to Friday 8 00 to 14 00 Saturday 8 00 to 12 00 You need Greek ID national ID card from an EU country passport from any country Proof of residence Usually a utility OTE DEH EYDAP bill in your name lease rental contract or last tax statement Car registration The card permit is valid for two 2 years unless a notice has been sent to revoke it sooner Sources Eπιστρέφει από 9 Σεπτεμβρίου ο δακτύλιος Naftemporiki Supermarket and retail trucks weighing over 1 5 tons must stay out of the small ring between 7 00 10 30 from June 19 to December 31 2013 Varvakeio excluded To Vima Αιτήσεις για άδειες εισόδου στον Δακτύλιο To Vima Ο δακτύλιος επιστρέφει τη Δευτέρα Ta Nea Επανέρχεται ο δακτύλιος στις 6 Σεπτεμβρίου Eleftherotypia Τη Δευτέρα επιστρέφει ο δακτύλιος Ta Nea Ερχεται Δακτύλιος για τα Ι Χ στο κέντρο της Θεσσαλονίκης Kathimerini Όρια Μεγάλου Δακτυλίου and Εξαιρέσεις του Δακτυλίου Αθηνών livebetter gr Website removed ΥΠΕΚΑ Νέο πράσινο δακτύλιο θα φέρει η πετρελαιοκίνηση To Vima Έναρξη του μέτρου του δακτυλίου στο κέντρο της Αθήνας από 03 09 2012 Astynomia YPEKA Τι προβλέπει ο πράσινος Δακτύλιος που θα ισχύσει από τις 3 Σεπτεμβρίου To Vima Related posts How to convert to a Greek driver s license The first time I drove in Athens Price of petrol gas in Greece About Kat is a well traveled American journalist and author To learn more see About Me Livingingreece gr was created in 2007 to present meticulously researched original articles that fill a gap left by traditional media government portals and commercial websites forums run by people without credentials LivinginGreece is a Twitter feed curated from recognized Greek and international news agencies to provide breaking news about Greece plus real time updates and insider tips mined from 15 years experience Please note my copyright policy and be aware that violations will be pursued http bit ly Athensring Permalink 8 Comments Going Crunchy wrote October 20th 2010 at 23 34 Good lord I would be completely confused I think I d wind up just hitchhiking Hope you are well Shannon Heather wrote September 26th 2012 at 12 18 Your comment was transferred to Should I move to Greece Tellulah wrote November 6th 2013 at 21 50 Does the odd even days only relate to athens registered vehicles or all Greek plates We are spending a few days in a hotel in athens and will be driving a Greek plate registered in Lefkada so will we be exempt Thanks Kat Reply November 7th 2013 at 08 37 All vehicles Based solely on the little info you provided I m guessing that you re definitely not exempt But look in section Exemptions to verify Danijela wrote March 16th 2014 at 22 08 Hi I don t know if this is a right place to

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