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  • Golden Hall in Athens
    laugh Loipon isn t quite the same Paroshep wrote December 1st 2008 at 22 02 As an American living on Paros I found my first visit to The Mall quite interesting toomanytribbles wrote December 2nd 2008 at 07 54 i was eastbound trying to get home on saturday and i tried getting off of the attica road at the kifissias ring it had a traffic jam that looked like it was going to last for hours so i gave up and went to the next exit any connection to the golden hall you think we re doomed Sofia wrote December 2nd 2008 at 12 48 the only good new thing about Golden Hall is that Wagamama s finally came to Greece But who on earth would close a whole mall all day long Sunday Only in Greece Kat Reply December 2nd 2008 at 20 23 S I agree with you on both counts Wagamama is a good thing and closing on Sunday when people have leisure time to shop is a bad idea Although they now open the mall on Sunday to allow people to window shop and accommodate passage to restaurants Thanks for stopping in photene wrote December 3rd 2008 at 21 43 I love this site Okay on to the post I am absolutely not thrilled about the mallization of Europe generally speaking they re everywhere and I personally find it excruciating to walk through some amazing cities only to be confronted with a behemoth mall that is supposed to induce me to spend money I end up talking to locals to find the boutiques and have a much better time Perhaps the only saving grace of something like this is that it does in fact raise employment although I expect that you know have a better grasp of the numbers to know if it in facts helps raise the bar or not Having spent some time in Greece however I don t expect the mall to ever the replace the cafenio at least in summer where you can sit for hours without spending more than a cup of coffee smoke to your hearts content and watch all the action Kat Reply December 3rd 2008 at 23 23 P It raises employment marginally but it doesn t really contribute to quality of life for most since the only people who can afford to go to these malls are usually the elite I agree that the kafeneio and small shops will never go away but it s getting harder with the continued violence and the economy which will see conglomerates merging to survive toomanytribbles wrote December 4th 2008 at 07 46 i don t know if the kafeneio will be replaced completely but the mall the next to newest one is full to capacity on the weekends with other customers searching in vain for a seat among the lucky hordes that have already found one the high cost of everything and the ridiculous cost of paid parking doesn t seem to be a deterrent this is aided by the fact that it s right next to the neratziotissa metro station and people from all over athens can visit i saw buses labeled golden hall at the station perhaps serving as a shuttle for the public to the less conveniently located golden hall you can t know if the malls are raising employment or with the decrease in smaller businesses all around actually reducing it on the whole perhaps someone has numbers on that small businesses are giving way to large in greece as they are the world over Kat Reply December 4th 2008 at 23 25 TMT So true Panayotis wrote December 20th 2008 at 00 02 Just a few words I belonged to a group of people who built the main power supply rooms at Golden Hall Let me inform you that almost the whole building was transformed by foreign people Pakistans Albanians Romans Polish etc VERY few Greeks and only by one of the construction companies responsible The building had no maintenance since the Olympic Games and was and still is filled with dust all around even more with garbage on the rooftops So what shines in front of your eyes doesn t mean it s Gold and much more to say but that s enough Thanks That s all Kat Reply December 20th 2008 at 21 25 Panayiotis Thank you for taking the time to share your inside information Unfortunately I think this is the norm here Elaine wrote February 12th 2009 at 10 14 For anyone that has a disability the all is the best thing ever invented There is no opeming of heavy doors or waiting for some one to do it for you not to say that someone would not do it There is no trying to wheel thru rain drops There is no having some one driving to many different places to do your shopping Many selections are in one place I love Greece especially Athens with all it s shops Noone loves Plaka Monastiraki the islands etc more than I do bit have a little compasion for those of us who are disabled also baby strollers Kat Reply February 12th 2009 at 21 26 E If you read the comments above I already mentioned this fact in the 5th comment and others agreed so obviously we do have compassion However since the disabled are largely disrespected by the Greek state society and underemployed discrimination there is no guarantee they d have the private means financial logistical transport etc to go to the mall unless their family friends can assist them Therefore it is the government and society lacking compassion Demitris wrote February 12th 2009 at 21 49 Interesting I m actually quite surprised that Greece is so far behind with their shopping malls Down here in South Africa shopping malls are big business some of the most succesful retail venues are owned and run by Greek property companies Greeks being a

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  • Athens Metro Mall
    which way and I am glad because many of my own questions were asked some of them repeated too many times Don t you people read Kat you have incredible patience Imagine this I am diabetic but am jonesing for Krispy Kreme and know they do not exist here Another one is Cinnabons and I am happy to learn they exist I will go to the Mall mentioned here check it out Tacos another of my faves will be tested there Mall so we ll see about that Keep up this incredible work Kat and thanks for being here My appreciation for Athens has increased a lot since finding and reading this entire post DMikeyV expat having lived in Istanbul for two years now in Greece Kat Reply February 8th 2011 at 01 44 Cinnabon is a favorite of mine also and I learned to make my own at home from scratch during the decade I waited for them to get to Greece Three advantages a They re cheaper b no excess packaging c I can eat as much frosting as I want You can make your own tacos with the El Paso taco shells from AB Vassilopoulos in the ethnic aisle Thank you so much for taking the time to read what s on offer and your kind compliment My stated policy is to delete repeat questions but there s a part of me that is empathetic to digesting the complexity of bureaucracy in Greece It does get annoying at times because I already took the trouble to clearly and concisely write out everything in English and I admit to thinking exactly what you said Then a reader I helped gives back to the website or someone recognizes the amount of work time patience I invested and I forget all about it I appreciate you being one of those people Hope to see you again yiannos wrote March 2nd 2011 at 15 15 I heard most of the bigger malls were cancelled though like the one that was meant to be 100 000 sqm This one is quite small i ll be interested to see how the others go You are right that Greeks have really taken to the whole mall concept There are still nowhere near as many in Greece as there are in other countries Athens has what 3 4 modern ones now not including department stores but they are proving to be quite popular I m surprised they didn t build them in Greece years ago Kat Reply March 3rd 2011 at 21 34 At last count in February there were 18 shopping centers in Athens of which six are considered malls The bigger malls have not been canceled There are 11 more scheduled to open in Attica and four more just outside city limits one of which will be 120 000 sq m In my opinion 21 malls in Athens for a population of under 5 million people is overkill If you read the History

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  • Subway sandwich locations in Greece
    listed and two of three shops on Zakynthos have the same phone number owned by the same person or an error I updated the post according to your comment However I cannot confirm whether these locations are indeed open since I don t live on Zakynthos or Crete VaCo J Mac wrote June 11th 2010 at 23 58 so the one in Thessaloniki will not open again im sooo sad Stella wrote November 24th 2010 at 21 49 There are currently 7 seasonal Subway stores in Greece 3 in Crete 2 of which are in Malia and 1 in Hersonissos Another 3 in Zakynthos 2 of which are in Laganas and 1 in Argassi And 1 in Kavos Corfu These are all summer seasonal stores which is the reason why you will not find them listed currently in Subway s restaurant locator They appear only during the time the stores are open and operating Kat Reply November 24th 2010 at 23 38 The Subway website says there are eight locations in Greece and three operate seasonally so the only reliable source of information is readers and my own independent research and first hand experience My article does say all are seasonal and lists all but one location Thanks so much for the information you provided As a Subway franchise rep it would have been helpful to give me the address of the Malia location I don t have listed for the benefit of Subway and my readers Friends on Crete have never seen it McKroes wrote December 22nd 2010 at 23 24 I ve been to malia last autumn there are 2 seasonal subways both were closed during my visit Both on the Dimokratias Beachroad Greetz mckroes Follow up Hi Kat always here to help I will go to Thessaloniki and Athens in spring Yay to enjoy both cities again once you ve lived in Greece for some time it always in your heart and I did my exchange for university in Thessaloniki and make my McDonald s Greece photo collection more complete You can find the collection on Flickr search McKroes Have a great 2011 Kat Reply December 23rd 2010 at 01 56 Hi S nice to see you here again Now that you mention it I remember having two listings on Dimokratias I thought it was a mistake they d be so close in proximity and I deleted one according to the info I saw on the Subway website I ll go back to my way back machine and see if I can retrieve it Thank you for saying something bob wrote February 20th 2011 at 06 09 ohh i miss subways This was the only fast food i was eating when i was in uk In my opinion the chain failed here because of the late market entry When they came everest grigoris mikrogeumata and many other independent individuals they were already well established to the market offering a similar product In this case the market is characterized as mature which makes it hard and almost impossible for new players to enter and developed Sue wrote March 8th 2011 at 21 41 Shame they folded here but you ve got the reasons for failure down to a tee As an expat myself although here before Subway appeared back home you can definitely tell the difference in flavours textures etc In the UK I was fond of KFC but it s not the same here the coating barely clings to the meat most times Long before Everest was on the scene lots of somewhat dodgy looking backstreet 3 foot wide shops served a very wide plethora of things between two pieces of bread or in a bun from lettuce and tomato to olives pastormas and the like One of my first memories of Athens in 1987 was such a shop although I was afraid to try Kat Reply March 9th 2011 at 01 34 Hi Sue I appreciate you saying so Some people have sought my opinion on the market before opening a chain in Greece I tell them what I know and then they get mad and say I m wrong Well OK then What you say about the KFC Greece coating is true and that s probably due to inexperienced staff just as the Cinnabon review in Athens Metro Mall talks about cinnamon buns exploding because employees weren t operating the ovens properly In Taste of America in Greece I also comment on the KFC Extra Crispy coating not being an option on the menu though I see it offered on two 2011 items called Zinger and Blazin which is funny since most of us won t find them hot or spicy at all Probably best that fear kept you away from those sandwich shops back in the 1980s Thank you saying hello and sharing your experience Hope to see you again Harry A wrote June 9th 2011 at 19 31 I agree with everything the writer says However i do believe that a foreign brand needs to adjust itself a little bit to the needs of each market Subway didn t make it for the following reasons as well 1 Many Greeks visit that kind of store for their breakfast and they don t consider a sandwich as breakfast 2 Subway didn t try to offer the kind of coffee that Greeks like and that wouldn t be that hard to do 3 Nobody here likes potato chips with their food It seemed weird out of place and cheap to place them in the menu It made Subway seem junkier than it is 4 Subway stores like the one in Syntagma Square needed cosier chairs tables to invite passers by That wasn t the case 5 Most Subway stores in Athens were located at the wrong places hidden from view A little advertising campaign wouldn t hurt either Some kind of sampling outside the store could do miracles Personally i m going to miss Subway

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  • Crazy American things
    is hilarious I guess certain things look crazy to different people Maybe dangerous fireworks in Greece are OK in some people s eyes because it s a celebration of Christ In the USA they outlawed these death rockets to stop people from blowing each others arms off on Independence Day and New Year s us silly Americans wanting to save people from themselves but I m sure people still sell them somewhere melusina wrote August 18th 2007 at 21 25 I have yet to see a perfect tootsie roll shaped turd Hmm maybe the cats make them But they are turd like because people are attracted to the scatalogical I guess and everything that even remotely resembles poo makes us think it is poo But I m American and I still don t get Peeps They creep me out Kat Reply August 18th 2007 at 22 30 Mel Did you see that recipe for Cat Litter Cake Personally I don t know how I d be able to eat that Google it and see If Tootsie Rolls didn t already look like turds just put them in the microwave stretch them a bit and woo lah To make the bunnies and peeps less creepy just bite their heads off Oh I guess that would be worse then they re just headless animals graffic wrote August 20th 2007 at 02 02 Hi I found your blog through the wewantapplegreece web site when you made a post Nice things about americans Years ago I had in my head the stereotype of the fat and not well educated guy girl With time I learned two things stereotypes sucks and americans are not all that way In fact the ones I met outside america were the most open I m a spanish looking for a place in Greece I found your blog very useful with lots of useful articles for me So I ll add your blog to my rss feeds reader Kat Reply August 20th 2007 at 21 31 Hi Graffic Welcome to the site and thanks for adding me I already visited your site and am looking forward to learning your story and helping you through my site in whatever way I can It s great to get your input on how you see things so please comment when you feel like it Jul wrote August 20th 2007 at 16 53 I love peeps My parents used to send them to me when I lived in Germany Kat Reply August 20th 2007 at 22 31 Jul Why don t you get peeps in Switzerland now Too grown up to eat marshmallow animals I still ask a friend to save me a pack from Easter if I ve got a trip to the USA around that time if not I wait til next year This year a childhood friend saved me some Cadbury creme eggs you know the ones with that weird white and yellow sugary goo in the middle My teeth hurt

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  • Corn dogs in Athens?
    recipe for ice cream Kat wrote July 9th 2007 at 19 59 Cinnabons take hours to make and they disappear in less than 10 minutes Great eh Ice cream is fun to make can t wait to hear how you like it once you re settled Sour cream Take a jar and put in 1 cup of 20 or light cream 5 tsp cultured buttermilk should have 1 acid Shake then add another 1 cup of 20 or light cream 1 tsp or to taste salt Shake again leave cover on and leave in a 75 80F place for 24 hours After that refrigerate another 24 hours Do not overstir or subject to high heat melusina wrote July 10th 2007 at 00 13 Wow that seems pretty easy Thanks Megan wrote July 10th 2007 at 13 32 Hey nice I think I ll try the sour cream idea on one of my stag nights They ve started selling it here in Munich but it still isn t the same I ve gotten pretty spoiled lately with the loot my husband has been toting back from the States on a regular basis over this past year maybe the one benefit but the fresh stuff is still hard to get For our new possible location I ll have to haul out my mom s Julia Child and learn how to make mayo among the many adventures that may await oye Alexandra wrote August 14th 2012 at 00 46 hey its soo cool you make you own stuff I m from the U S too and we moved to Greece like 8 years ago and i soo miss all the junk foods my dad had a pizza storer back in the U S so luckily we have good pizza and a misses fields opened near our house about a year ago and the cookies are pretty good i m dying to have a corn dog so i m deff gonna try and find some ingredients and make them but is very impressive that you make everything on your own D Kat Reply August 14th 2012 at 10 18 I m aware of the place you named but I do not give free advertising to unethical price gouging stores as stated in Taste of America in Greece Your comment Name required E Mail Required not published Website optional Click to cancel reply Notify me of follow up comments via e mail HTML Tags a href title abbr title acronym title b blockquote cite cite code del datetime em i q cite strike strong Greek News RT PGiannakouris Clouds over the ancient Acropolis hill Ap photo Petros Giannakouris https t co jFy9mSPzNA RT nytimesworld Tales of break ins burglaries and robberies accompany the Greek debt crisis http t co dPVxf6vOb2 http t co diLJm39OQa RT graemewearden Greek parliament approves bailout reform package as it happened http t co qs5iiGi4Ju http t co 64IhO9LCts RT TheEconomist Here is an effort to explain the Greek deal in

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  • Thanksgiving in Greece
    Looking for a turkey for Christmas in Greece You should be able to find one with no problem though price varies widely and availability depends on timing Permalink 47 Comments Cωνσtantίnoς wrote December 19th 2008 at 08 01 You re killing me Kat it s early in the morning and still after reading this I wouldn t mind having the whole Thanksgiving meal for breakfast or early brunch right here right now I have been celebrating Thanksgiving since my college years attended the American College of Greece and like you said meals there are not as they should be however it s a decent effort I m no expert on the preparations of a Thanksgiving dinner I m a great cook though but since the past 2 years I have been celebrating with friends in Stockholm everything has been homemade they raised the bar This year we even had 4 turkeys cooked according to local recipes from the US New England Texas Montana and Louisiana the last one was the best along with everything else you mention I m already looking forward to next year s P I m hungry now Kat Reply December 19th 2008 at 12 14 Hi C Thanks for confirming what my friends J and K said about their American school dinner They invited me years ago but I never went because it was something like 20 euros a plate Hey and there s nothing like a big sandwich with turkey stuffing gravy and cranberry Leftovers never last too long especially if I have guests who fight over who gets what and how much Tauros wrote December 19th 2008 at 10 53 Hi Kat Several of my American friends swear by American Farm School turkeys They are organically raised and sold only fresh They are sold only for a limited period of time per local media they are available today and tomorrow in Athens at AB Vassilopoulos and also at Stelios Butchers 25 Vas Pavlou Kastella And of course available at the school in Thessaloniki Thanopoulos Supermarkets in Kifissia had Libby s pumpkin this time last year though I like your idea of making it from scratch Happy feasting Kat Reply December 19th 2008 at 22 15 Tauros Yes those turkeys are good But people should be prepared to pay The Libby s isn t worth the trouble or the commute when we can get pumpkins everywhere Thank you for contributing this information for the benefit of all readers You re always very generous and helpful Cheryl wrote December 19th 2008 at 18 43 You are so funny nice quote by the way The only thing that I didn t make myself is the corn I just bought a few cans from the local grocery store I could have even made fresh pumpkin pie as you mentioned if I knew that someone else would help me eat it I won t put any non American dishes on my Thanksgiving table either because you re right we re in Greece and we can have Greek food any time I ve celebrated Greek holidays in the U S for many years and we didn t put American food on the table there Nice enlightening post Love your stuff Kat Reply December 19th 2008 at 22 16 Cheryl Haha Fresh frozen corn is less expensive and in my opinion better tasting than canned but it really depends on availability and people s tastes For example you said that no one eats pumpkin pie when you make it but in my house it disappears FMS wrote December 20th 2008 at 03 09 As I would prefer to deal with an English speaking turkey I bought an American Farm one the only one left in my AB for a mere 52 euros I am also trying to follow the quaint American accompaniments garnishes that you have so kindly itemised above To this end I decided that I should find out what cranberries are Google was very obliging Historically cranberry fruits and leaves were used for a variety of problems such as wounds urinary disorders diarrhea diabetes stomach ailments and liver problems Recently cranberry products have been used in the hope of preventing or treating urinary tract infections or Helicobacter pylori infections that can lead to stomach ulcers or to prevent dental plaque Cranberry has also been reported to have antioxidant and anticancer activity So now I understand why this sauce is so important for your turkey meals in the USA Obviously the excessive meat and alcohol consumption can be offset by the cranberries Not sure why so many people get wounded during the meal though maybe that s only in NY Kat Reply December 20th 2008 at 22 18 FMS Expectations of a bird being tasty are significantly raised when paying 52 euros The turkey I purchased for Thanksgiving was fresh from Italy and significantly less and just as juicy and tasty in my opinion Let us know FMS wrote December 21st 2008 at 04 46 An update on the cranberry issue I have sadly realised that cranberries do not exist in Europe Apparently the plants were taken from Scotland to the USA rather a long time ago and no longer have suitable habitat in Scotland As I refuse to use anything other than fresh or at a minimum recently frozen berries I have been investigating blackcurrants and redcurrants Happily I have a stock of frozen blackcurrants that can be utilised Neverthless I was curious about how close or far they are to cranberries Imagine my surprise to find out that although these berries were very popular in the USA in the 19th century the bushes were banned about 100 years ago as a federal offence Apparently they somehow interfered with large scale logging read money making and the growing of the bushes was decriminalised in NY in 2005 It is still illegal in the rest of the USA So my American friends we Europeans do not know what cranberries are about and you do not know what red and blackcurrants are about allegedly So far as I can understand although they are different genuses their taste and health attributes are similar except that cranberries need more added sugar and are not really edible raw My turkey will be consumed with blackcurrant sauce tarted up with some orange zest and muted with some fructose And chestnut stuffing I fear that these are probably a different species in the USA too but I am going to ignore that possibility and just prepare a French style chestnut stuffing Kala Xristougenna Kat Reply December 21st 2008 at 06 19 Cranberries are significantly different than currants or other berries If you refuse to use anything but fresh you can t find them in Greece as far as I know again I stopped looking years ago when after learning the Greek word for cranberry no one knew what it was they assumed it was blackcurrant However they are available in other EU countries My friend Mausi has them in Germany See Everything s covered with powdered sugar My friends in Sweden have them also Ocean Spray had a reduced crop this year due to weather But to boost earnings it has gone abroad to expand its market Greece isn t included yet See Cranberries go abroad if you re interested Btw there is cranberry juice from Ocean Spray readily available at most grocery stores in a jar or paketo I ve seen plain cran raspberry and cran blackcurrant It s about double what I pay in the USA and Sweden but sometimes I get a craving and buy it if I ve run out FMS wrote December 21st 2008 at 15 22 I was shocked to read in your link In France cranberry juice is blended with mango juice one of the country s more popular beverages In Australia and Britain cranberry sauce is becoming a popular side dish However I now vaguely recall once drinking cranberry juice in the UK In this somewhat distant recollection I remember it as being not very different from redcurrants but slightly more astringent and therefore more interesting Kat Reply December 21st 2008 at 22 21 I like the taste of cranberry much more than red currant or or black currant It s not for everyone though Margaret wrote December 21st 2008 at 17 27 FMS must be a while since you visited the UK It s flooded with cranberries and cranberry juice particularly since it is supposed to have wonderfully healing properties and ward against a discomfort that most women are very keen to avoid particularly in the festive season Every house I know has a carton lingering somewhere and cranberryandorange is the new ginandtonic I m sure it won t be long before cranberries are available in Greece Kat Reply January 3rd 2009 at 22 22 M True I remember seeing it there the last time I visited Cranberry got a boost when purple hooters were popular and then cosmopolitans at the height of Sex and the City melusina wrote December 21st 2008 at 18 42 What drives me nuts about Thanksgiving dinner here is I can t find yellow squash I miss me a good squash casserole Even though my mom yells at me I need fresh moist bread for my stuffing I know it is wrong but it is sooo good I never have trouble making plenty of gravy from pan drippings and I don t use giblets either I usually add a cup or two of water some seasonings and the flour paste to thicken it Always turns out nicely But I confess this year we went with poure instead of real potatoes because I couldn t figure out how many potatoes we d need for 12 people and I just didn t want the hassle But from now on we won t be inviting so many people NEVER again The pumpkin pie NOBODY eats it I made a pumpkin and pecan this year and the pecan was gone in seconds while the pumpkin just sat there People won t even try it I can get Libby s pumpkin at a store here in downtown Thessaloniki For the record I ve yet to see a pumpkin anywhere but Cheryl has found some around here so I guess they can be had Happy Holidays Kat Kat Reply January 3rd 2009 at 22 23 Mel Nothing wrong with moist stuffing if it s done right I actually don t cook stuffing inside the carcass because I boil the bones for soup thus giving me the freedom to do as I please without worry Good to hear you have enough gravy but as I said I require more because it s used for not only turkey but potatoes hot turkey sandwiches regular sandwiches with a moist layer in the middle and some people use it on the stuffing Plus if I cook a turkey roast there are no pan drippings so I use a packet to compensate The pie issue is the opposite for me Whether it s sweet potato pie or pumpkin it disappears Everyone is suspicious of the pecan and I end up eating that on my own dwain wrote December 23rd 2008 at 10 19 Have a merry Xmas Kat and καλι χρονια I have no clue how to spell that properly Kat Reply January 3rd 2009 at 22 25 Thanks D I hope you and M had a nice Christmas in the USA and welcome back to Athens Dora wrote December 24th 2008 at 00 39 Hope all is well Have a very Merry Christmas and all the best in the New Year Kat Reply January 3rd 2009 at 22 26 How sweet of you I was thinking about you the other day wondering if I d lost you It s nice to see I haven t photene wrote December 24th 2008 at 01 08 Merry Christmas and may 2009 bring us all peace and prosperity Cheers Kat Reply January 3rd 2009 at 22 27 Another sweet person Hope you had a good New Year s Katerina wrote January 11th 2009 at 18 04 Frozen cranberries can be found in a Polish delicatessen in the Lachano agora in Athinas st If you are facing the agora with your back to the meat market the shop is on the right side of the veg market about 3 shops down from Athinas Saw them there last week Too late for your Thanksgiving but keep it in mind for later this year Kat Reply January 12th 2009 at 22 28 Hi K thanks so much for the tip Maggie wrote November 18th 2009 at 08 59 Hello all I just found this site and I just had to put my 2 cents in I m a Greek American and I ve also been living in Greece for the past 15 years I have celebrated Thanksgiving every single year with every last detail Thank God for english stores and BASILOPOULO they carry everything I always make pumpkin pie and my family loves it I would like to be a permanent here Do you have a twitter page or facebook I hope everyone has a great THANKSGIVING Kat Reply November 18th 2009 at 22 29 Hi Maggie I hear you people are already counting down the days until pumpkin pie My Facebook page is run by someone else my Twitter feed is listed on front page to the right you already have me added and it s the same address as my website Thank you for saying hello and sharing Jeff wrote November 18th 2009 at 19 18 Kat thanks so much for all the work you do on your website I ve been reading it for some time as my hubby and I prepare to retire in Greece I can t wait to leave these Chicago winters behind Your info has been invaluable Jeff Kat Reply November 18th 2009 at 22 30 Hi Jeff thank you for coming out of the shadows to say hello I hope this site can continue to be a resource to you during your move to Greece and after you ve settled here All the best nikol wrote November 26th 2009 at 11 04 Im an American living in Greece for the past 12 years and as I get older I miss Thanksgiving even more Even though I cook Thanksgiving dinner every year with all the trimmings some things can t be substituted The tradition of waking up later than usual and watching the Macy s Day Parade while cooking the feast is greatly missed The most important is gathering the family and just being thankful for being together with all the nagging bickering and teasing included Kat Reply November 26th 2009 at 20 12 Hi Nikol I agree Even though I don t have immediate family in the USA any longer Thanksgiving is not the same without the watching balloons go down 5th Avenue endless football and then getting up early the next morning to partake in Black Friday sales Carolina wrote November 24th 2010 at 15 25 Mmmmmm mouth watering article Kat So glad I m just about to embark on a short trip to the UK will be able to stock up on my cranberries Kat Reply November 24th 2010 at 18 57 I m envious I haven t seen a fresh cranberry not to mention a lot of other things on my wish list in four long years maria wrote November 26th 2010 at 07 31 Happy Thanksgiving Kat We were home and had a traditional Greek American Thanksgiving with a twist my husband does not eat turkey I am trying to observe the Nativity Fast so I made wild caught salmon with fresh dill and the sides which for me are done with a touch of butter and olive oil I ll make God willing the turkey and greek middle eastern chestnut stuffing with hamburg and pine nuts The stuffing today was bread with mushrooms carrots celery I was the only one who ate the cranberry and apple sauce Oh and some mushroom noodles from Germany What I really enjoyed this week was looking at the videos on cooking Thanksgiving in the New York Times I think next year I will abstain from the egg nog I went overboard I have never cooked Thanksgiving dinner in Greece before I left I made some friends with American and Canadian ladies Maybe they celebrate in Sparta For Halloween one of the English frontisteria made a display for the library I guess this was a change my mother and aunt died while I was I Greece last year tomorrow we are burying the last thea in Boston everything is different I am thankful for the good years This weekend I hope to work on an inquiry project for my education class on the Greek Roma I am creating some portable lessons along with the theory behind it hope to actually work with the group when I return Have a great weekend Kat Reply November 26th 2010 at 23 35 Hi Maria Thank you for sharing your Thanksgiving with us Everything sounds delicious though I wait to have egg nog at Christmas You re early It s good to be thankful for the good years our life now good friends and the good times to come All my best to you Rob wrote November 18th 2011 at 22 55 Is this website all about you showing the rest of the world how much you know about everything that is going on in Greece or is this about genuinely and kindly informing all those people out there who seek information related to Greece in English To your visitors comments you reply with arrogance as if you were sitting on a throne right above Athena Your visitors on their part sound like lost souls waiting for golden words of approval from your poisonous lips

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  • Doing Business in Greece vs. the EU, USA, Australia, Canada
    The cost is expressed as a percentage of the property value assuming a property value of 50 times income per capita property value Country 0 4 Switzerland 0 5 USA 0 6 Denmark Italy 1 8 Canada 2 3 Bulgaria 2 5 Norway 3 0 Czech Republic Sweden 4 0 Finland Greece 4 1 UK 4 6 OECD 4 5 Austria 4 9 Australia 5 2 Germany 6 1 France 6 2 Netherlands 7 1 Spain 7 4 Portugal 10 2 Ireland Luxembourg 12 7 Belgium GETTING CREDIT According to the World Bank this section covers credit information registries and the effectiveness of collateral and bankruptcy laws in facilitating lending to entrepreneurs 1 UK 3 Australia 3 Germany 7 Canada 7 Ireland 7 USA 13 Bulgaria 13 Denmark 13 Netherlands 13 Spain 26 Austria 26 Czech Republic 26 Finland 26 Switzerland 36 France 36 Norway 36 Sweden 48 Belgium 68 Italy 68 Portugal 84 Greece 97 Luxembourg See Getting Credit in its entirety Legal Rights Index The Legal Rights Index measures the degree to which collateral and bankruptcy laws facilitate lending with 10 being the highest rating Rating Country 10 UK 9 Australia 8 Denmark Germany Ireland 7 Canada Netherlands USA 6 4 OECD 6 Bulgaria Czech Republic Finland France Luxembourg Norway Spain Sweden Switzerland 5 Austria Belgium 4 Portugal 3 Greece Italy Credit Information Index The Credit Information Index assesses rules affecting the scope access and quality of credit information with 10 being the highest rating Rating Country 6 Austria Bulgaria Canada Germany Spain UK USA 5 Australia Czech Republic Finland Ireland Italy Netherlands Switzerland 4 8 OECD 4 Belgium Denmark France Greece Norway Portugal Sweden 0 Luxembourg Public registry coverage A country s combined percentage of public and private data should be considered when understanding the full scope of coverage i e The USA has 0 public but 100 private Greece on the other hand has a combined percentage of 38 Country 67 1 Portugal 57 2 Belgium 44 9 Spain 25 4 Bulgaria 24 8 France 11 0 Italy 8 6 OECD 4 2 Czech Republic 1 3 Austria 0 7 Germany 0 Australia Canada Denmark Finland Greece Ireland Luxembourg Netherlands Norway Sweden Switzerland UK USA Private bureau coverage Country 100 Australia Canada Ireland Norway Sweden USA 98 1 Germany 84 6 UK 78 1 Netherlands 71 5 Italy 59 3 OECD 53 0 Czech Republic 40 6 Austria 38 7 Greece 24 0 Switzerland 14 9 Finland 11 5 Denmark 11 3 Portugal 8 3 Spain 3 0 Bulgaria 0 Belgium France Luxembourg PROTECTING INVESTORS Investors must be assured their interests are protected and empowered with an avenue of recourse This topic measures the strength of minority shareholder protections against misuse of corporate assets by directors for their personal gain 5 Canada 5 Ireland 5 USA 9 UK 12 Belgium 15 Norway 19 Denmark 33 Bulgaria 33 Portugal 51 Australia 51 Finland 51 Italy 51 Sweden 64 France 83 Czech Republic 83 Germany 83 Spain 98 Netherlands 107 Luxembourg 122 Austria 158 Greece 158 Switzerland See Protecting Investors in its entirety Disclosure Index The Extent of Disclosure Index measures the transparency of transactions with 10 being the highest rating Rating Country 10 Bulgaria France Ireland UK 8 Australia Belgium Canada 7 Denmark Italy Norway USA 6 4 OECD 6 Finland Luxembourg Portugal Sweden 5 Germany Spain 4 Netherlands 3 Austria 2 Czech Republic 1 Greece 0 Switzerland Liability The Extent of Director Liability Index measures the liability for self dealing with 10 being the highest rating Rating Country 9 Canada USA 7 UK 6 Belgium Ireland Norway Spain 5 1 OECD 5 Austria Czech Republic Denmark Germany Portugal Switzerland 4 Finland Italy Luxembourg Netherlands Sweden 3 Greece 2 Australia 1 Bulgaria France Shareholder Suits Index The Ease of Shareholder Suits Index measures the shareholders ability to sue officers and directors for misconduct with 10 being the highest rating Rating Country 9 Ireland USA 8 Canada Czech Republic 7 Australia Belgium Bulgaria Denmark Finland Norway Portugal Sweden UK 6 5 OECD 5 Italy Netherlands France Germany Greece 4 Austria Spain Switzerland 3 Luxembourg Investor Protection Index The Investor Protection Index is the combined strength of all three indices above Extent of Disclosure Index Extent of Director Liability Index Ease of Shareholder Suit Index with 10 being the highest possible rating Rating Country 8 3 Canada Ireland USA 8 0 UK 7 0 Belgium 6 7 Norway 6 3 Denmark 6 0 OECD Bulgaria Portugal 5 7 Australia Finland Italy Sweden 5 3 France 5 0 Czech Republic Germany Spain 4 7 Netherlands 4 3 Luxembourg 4 0 Austria 3 0 Greece Switzerland PAYING TAXES Paying Taxes addresses taxes and mandatory contributions that a mid sized company must pay or withhold annually in addition to administrative burden 6 Ireland 12 UK 13 Denmark 15 Switzerland 16 Norway 17 Luxembourg 25 Canada 36 Netherlands 41 Australia 42 Sweden 65 Belgium 66 Portugal 67 Germany 76 USA 80 Austria 82 France 83 Finland 86 Greece 88 Bulgaria 93 Spain 113 Czech Republic 122 Italy See Paying Taxes in its entirety Tax Payments Total number of tax payments per year Country 2 Sweden 4 Norway 8 Portugal Spain UK 9 Canada Denmark Ireland Netherlands 10 USA 11 Belgium 12 Australia Czech Republic 15 Italy 15 1 OECD 16 Germany 17 Bulgaria 20 Finland 21 Greece 22 Austria Luxembourg 23 France 24 Switzerland Time The time it takes to prepare file and pay or withhold corporate income tax value added tax VAT and social security insurance contributions Hours Country 58 Luxembourg 63 Switzerland 76 Ireland 87 Norway 105 UK 107 Australia 119 Canada 122 Sweden 132 France 135 Denmark 156 Belgium 170 Austria 180 Netherlands 183 3 OECD 196 Germany 264 Greece 269 Finland 298 Spain 325 USA 328 Portugal 360 Italy 360 616 Bulgaria 930 Czech Republic Profit tax The average amount of declared taxes on profits paid by the business expressed as a percentage of commercial profits Unofficial or undeclared profits and tax dodging are separate matters and not included Country 5 4 Belgium 5 9 Czech Republic 6 6 Bulgaria 8 3 France 8 4 Switzerland 14 2 Ireland 15 1 Austria Greece 15 2 Portugal 16 5 Sweden 16 7 Luxembourg 17 0 Finland 20 0 OECD 21 3 UK 21 6 Germany 23 7 Spain 24 9 Norway 26 0 Canada Netherlands 26 9 Australia 28 0 Denmark 30 8 Italy Labor tax and contributions Labor tax and contributions include mandatory social security contributions paid by the employer both to public and private entities as well as other taxes or contributions related to employing workers and is expressed as a percentage of commercial profits Illegal employment is a separate matter and not included Country 2 5 Denmark 11 3 UK 12 1 Ireland 12 3 Canada 15 8 Netherlands 15 9 Norway 16 7 Luxembourg 17 2 Switzerland 21 7 Germany 22 2 Australia 22 8 OECD 26 6 Bulgaria 26 8 Portugal 27 1 USA 29 7 Finland 31 7 Greece 34 5 Austria 36 4 Sweden 37 6 Spain 39 5 Czech Republic 43 2 Italy 52 1 France 57 1 Belgium Other taxes Mandatory taxes and contributions outside the first two categories Country 0 8 Spain 1 0 Finland 1 3 Norway 1 5 Australia 1 6 Netherlands 1 7 Sweden 1 8 Belgium 1 9 Greece Luxembourg 2 2 Italy 2 6 Ireland 2 7 Denmark 2 8 Portugal 3 2 Czech Republic UK 3 4 OECD 3 5 Bulgaria 3 6 Switzerland 5 0 Austria 5 8 France 7 5 Germany 7 6 Canada 9 5 USA Total tax rate Total amount of mandatory taxes and contributions paid by a business expressed as a percentage of profit of profit Country 28 9 Ireland 29 1 Switzerland 33 3 Denmark 35 3 Luxembourg 35 7 UK 36 7 Bulgaria 42 0 Norway 43 4 Netherlands 44 8 Portugal 45 9 Canada 46 2 OECD USA 47 8 Finland 48 6 Czech Republic Greece 50 6 Australia 50 8 Germany 54 5 Sweden 54 6 Austria 62 0 Spain 64 3 Belgium 66 3 France 76 2 Italy TRADING ACROSS BORDERS The bureaucracy and ability to facilitate efficient and timely trade can greatly contribute or hamper a prosperous export import relationship Trading Across Borders examines procedural requirements for exporting and importing a standardized cargo of goods Every official procedure is counted from the contractual agreement between the 2 parties to the delivery of goods along with the time necessary for completion Note that a country s proximity to the sea did not guarantee a lower cost faster shipment or higher rating 2 Denmark 4 Norway 5 Finland 6 Sweden 10 Germany 12 Austria 14 Netherlands 15 USA 20 Ireland 25 France 27 UK 30 Czech Republic 31 Portugal 32 Luxembourg 34 Australia 37 Switzerland 39 Canada 47 Spain 48 Belgium 62 Italy 65 Greece 89 Bulgaria See Trading Across Borders in its entirety Documents for export Country 3 Canada 4 Austria Belgium Denmark Finland France Germany Ireland Netherlands Norway Sweden Switzerland UK USA 4 5 OECD 5 Bulgaria Czech Republic Greece Italy Luxembourg 6 Australia Portugal Spain Time for export of days Country 5 Denmark 6 Luxembourg Netherlands USA 7 Canada Germany Ireland Norway 8 Austria Belgium Finland Sweden Switzerland 9 Australia Spain 9 8 OECD 11 France 13 UK 16 Czech Republic Portugal 20 Greece Italy 23 Bulgaria Cost to export per container US Country 420 Finland 518 Norway 540 Denmark 561 Sweden 580 Portugal 740 Germany 775 Czech Republic 843 Austria 880 Netherlands 905 OECD 930 Australia 940 UK 960 USA 998 Greece 1000 Spain 1028 France 1090 Ireland 1238 Switzerland 1250 Luxembourg 1291 Italy 1329 Bulgaria 1385 Canada 1600 Belgium Documents for import Country 3 Denmark Sweden 4 Canada Ireland Luxembourg Norway UK 5 OECD Austria Belgium Finland France Germany Italy Netherlands Switzerland USA 6 Australia Greece 7 Bulgaria Czech Republic Portugal 8 Spain Time for import of days Country 1 Australia 5 Denmark USA 6 Luxembourg Netherlands Sweden 8 Germany Norway Austria Finland 9 Belgium Switzerland 10 Spain 10 4 OECD 11 Canada 12 France Ireland 13 UK 16 Portugal 18 Czech Republic Italy 21 Bulgaria 25 Greece Cost to import per container US Country 420 Finland 468 Norway 540 Denmark 619 Sweden 765 Germany 843 Austria 860 Czech Republic 940 UK 986 1 OECD 994 Portugal 1000 Spain 1005 Netherlands 1120 Australia 1139 Ireland 1148 France 1160 USA 1245 Greece 1250 Luxembourg 1291 Italy 1333 Switzerland 1377 Bulgaria 1425 Canada 1600 Belgium ENFORCING CONTRACTS Enforcing Contracts measures the efficiency of contract enforcement by following the evolution of a sale of goods dispute and tracking the time cost and number of procedures involved from the moment the plaintiff files the lawsuit until actual payment 2 Luxembourg 6 Austria 7 Finland 8 USA 9 Norway 11 Australia 14 France 15 Germany 22 Belgium 24 UK 25 Switzerland 30 Denmark 36 Netherlands 39 Ireland 43 Canada 49 Portugal 53 Sweden 55 Spain 87 Greece 90 Bulgaria 97 Czech Republic 155 Italy See Enforcing Contracts in its entirety Procedures The number of steps a plaintiff must take from the moment s he files a lawsuit in court until payment disbursement of steps Country 20 Ireland 25 Netherlands 26 Austria Luxembourg 27 Belgium Czech Republic 28 Australia 30 France Sweden UK 31 3 OECD 32 Switzerland USA 33 Finland Germany Norway 34 Denmark 35 Portugal 36 Canada 39 Greece Spain 40 Bulgaria 41 Italy Duration The average number of calendar days it took to resolve the dispute of days Country 233 Finland 262 Australia 300 USA 310 Norway 321 Luxembourg 331 France 340 Denmark 394 Germany 397 Austria 404 UK 417 Switzerland 443 3 OECD 505 Belgium 508 Sweden 514 Netherlands 515 Ireland Spain 564 Bulgaria 570 Canada 577 Portugal 819 Greece 820 Czech Republic 1210 Italy Cost of claim Cost of court and attorney fees where the use of attorneys is mandatory or common expressed as a percentage of the dispute s debt value of Country 8 8 Luxembourg 9 4 USA 9 9 Norway 10 4 Finland 11 8 Germany 12 7 Austria 14 4 Greece 16 2 Canada 16 6 Belgium 17 2 Spain 17 4 France 17 7 OECD Portugal 20 7 Australia 21 2 Switzerland 22 2 Bulgaria 23 3 Denmark 23 4 UK 24 4 Netherlands 26 9 Ireland 29 9 Italy 31 3 Sweden 33 0 Czech Republic CLOSING A BUSINESS According to the World Bank Closing a Business identifies weaknesses in existing bankruptcy law and the main procedural and administrative bottlenecks in the bankruptcy process 3 Norway 4 Canada 5 Finland 6 Ireland 7 Denmark 8 Netherlands 9 Belgium 10 UK 13 Australia 17 Spain 18 USA 19 Sweden 20 Portugal 21 Austria 25 Italy 29 Germany 32 France 33 Switzerland 38 Greece 46 Luxembourg 72 Bulgaria 108 Czech Republic See Closing a Business in its entirety Duration The average time it takes to close a business expressed in years of years Country 0 4 Ireland 0 8 Canada 0 9 Belgium Finland Norway 1 0 Australia Spain UK 1 1 Austria Denmark Netherlands 1 2 Germany 1 3 OECD 1 5 USA 1 8 Italy 1 9 France 2 0 Greece Portugal Luxembourg Sweden 3 0 Switzerland 3 3 Bulgaria 6 5 Czech Republic Cost of income per capita Cost of bankruptcy proceedings expressed as a percentage of income per capita Country 1 Norway 4 Belgium Canada Denmark Finland Netherlands Switzerland 6 UK 7 USA 7 5 OECD 8 Australia Germany 9 Bulgaria France Greece Ireland Portugal Sweden 15 Czech Republic Luxembourg Spain 18 Austria 22 Italy Recovery rate cents on the Recovery rate calculates how many cents on the dollar that claimants creditors tax authorities and employees can expect to recover from an insolvent firm USD Country 90 7 Norway 88 8 Canada 88 2 Finland 87 1 Ireland 87 0 Denmark 86 7 Netherlands 85 5 Belgium 84 6 UK 79 2 Australia 76 9 Spain 75 9 USA 74 7 Sweden 74 1 OECD 74 0 Portugal 72 4 Austria 61 8 Italy 53 4 Germany 47 4 France 47 1 Switzerland 44 9 Greece 41 6 Luxembourg 32 4 Bulgaria 21 3 Czech Republic Sources Doing Business World Bank Analyses specific to Greece Greece missing the investment train Kathimerini July 2008 Crisis is an opportunity Kathimerini July 2008 Greece where connections are everything Kathimerini January 2008 Greek Entrepreneurship Report Kathimerini November 2007 No grasp of entrepreneurship originality or management Kathimerini November 2007 Business expecting better days Athens News Agency September 2007 It s not privatisation if the state still controls it link broken Athens News Agency September 2007 Entrepreneurship floundering link broken Athens News August 2007 Greek firms thriving outside Greece Kathimerini June 2007 Photo from the DoingBusiness org website Due to the time consuming effort to compile stats arrange rankings and code HTML the ability to comment will be limited Permalink 16 Comments yiannos wrote January 9th 2008 at 22 58 LMFAO that is all A wrote January 11th 2008 at 22 15 Just another example of why I nominated you for a bloggie today Anyone who appreciates this blog can join in but there are only a few hours left http 2008 bloggies com jayson wrote January 12th 2008 at 00 44 i think it was really heard to start business there FMS wrote January 13th 2008 at 01 30 Hard to start a business is the least of it jayson Two other things are more important 1 If you hold a nationality other than EU it will be almost impossible 2 Regardless of your nationality i e applies equally to Greeks the taxation demands and corruption of the state are horrendous These do not appear in any official figures so Greece looks like a low tax country on paper Of course if you are one of the super rich here it is low tax if you are a normal person it is a nightmare to be self employed Jane wrote January 18th 2008 at 12 20 Hi Kat Thank you thank you thank you for your diligence and hard work in putting together this cite I too am an American and so love it here but realize what I wanted to accomplish here cannot be done so also will be returning to America soon I so love the Greek people the way of life the history and was hoping to start a very cool business that I think the Greek people could get really excited about It would also be very good for the tourism economy as well as the locale clientele Thank you again for your courage Wishing you a lot of happiness and satisfaction in your new life in America Yianni wrote January 18th 2008 at 14 56 Okay so ecomonically Greece sucks you don t have to be a genius to realize that I compared Athens to my Toronto where I lived for 23 years and Athens can t even touch Toronto However all these statistics above are based on what type of businesses I can t see it being this bad for every type of business Yes maybe it is this bad for some guy that wants to come to Athens and open up some big business but how does this compare to some guy who wants to go to some nice little island who want s to open up a souvlatziviko What I m trying to say is that I don t think those statistics are based on a small time business I think they are more based on bigger corporations etc I could be mistaken but I know people who are doing well running small businesses in the islands Then again that s the islands Athens is like a whole different country LOL Take care all Yianni FMS wrote January 19th 2008 at 12 09 I think these problems apply particularly to

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    discipline and an aversion to competitive markets On the other hand clientelistic relationships and a unionist mentality permeate and paralyse everything The European Commission is still very much concerned with the fact that labour productivity in Greece is still the second lowest in the EU and that Greece has one of the lowest investment rates in research It suggests improving the environment for business by reducing red tape and simplifying the tax system On March 3 2003 Mr Simitis admitted that the Lisbon EU summit goals on employment had not been reached but added that what was needed was not the deregulation of labour market but how through new regulations our emphasis we can ensure the necessary adaptability in order to boost enterprise competitiveness and employment Related posts Doing business in Greece Jobs in Greece Permalink 3 Comments R Peterson wrote December 15th 2007 at 04 39 In relation to the above article Bulgaria as of 1 1 2008 is converting its tax system to a 10 flat tax one of the lowest in the world A 10 corporate tax has already been in effect since 2006 To the extent that this signifies a true abandonment of collectivist schemes the day when Greeks line outside the Bulgarian embassy in hopes of obtaining a non turist visa may not be too far in the future Kat wrote December 16th 2007 at 11 10 Hi R Thanks for adding that information Indeed Bulgaria is competitive in many areas though Greeks for some reason think this country is lower than their own when in fact it s quite conducive to business and has a growing economy That says a lot since they only joined the EU this year and probably aren t using any funding or subsidies aka it could only propel them forward when they do Aside from business I also hear people are friendly Internet is fast reliable and inexpensive and there is a greater variety of international name brand products for less money Bulgaria is definitely a country to watch Limbu wrote February 13th 2014 at 00 43 Your comment question was transferred to How to start a business in Greece Your comment Name required E Mail Required not published Website optional Click to cancel reply Notify me of follow up comments via e mail HTML Tags a href title abbr title acronym title b blockquote cite cite code del datetime em i q cite strike strong Greek News RT PGiannakouris Clouds over the ancient Acropolis hill Ap photo Petros Giannakouris https t co jFy9mSPzNA RT nytimesworld Tales of break ins burglaries and robberies accompany the Greek debt crisis http t co dPVxf6vOb2 http t co diLJm39OQa RT graemewearden Greek parliament approves bailout reform package as it happened http t co qs5iiGi4Ju http t co 64IhO9LCts RT TheEconomist Here is an effort to explain the Greek deal in all its absurdity http t co M5vRLtUHr3 http t co a245q6cV6h Banks open today in Greece but many limitations and capital controls

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