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  • You know you’re NOT Greek if…
    about Greece plus real time updates and insider tips mined from 15 years experience Please note my copyright policy and be aware that plagiarism and copyright violations will be pursued Permalink 42 Comments EllasDevil wrote July 27th 2007 at 12 16 Right OK So I took your test and it appears I am actually Greek Who d have thought Kat Reply July 27th 2007 at 21 36 ED What a shocker deviousdiva wrote July 27th 2007 at 15 20 I took the test and I am so not Greek it s a joke although I get ALL the references and laughed my head off I guess that makes me an honorary Greek Kat Reply July 27th 2007 at 21 36 DD I think after some time people adapt to the way of life You can be anything you damn well want PIC wrote July 27th 2007 at 15 25 Don t forget You tell your Greek friends that you put your daughter to bed at 8pm so she can get up on time for school and everyone looks at you like you are an alien since their kids go to bed at 11pm Kat Reply July 27th 2007 at 21 37 PIC Actually a lot of my Greek friends put their children to bed at 20 00 so that s why it s not on the list rositta wrote July 27th 2007 at 18 08 Well my name ends in as and I m definately not Greek That is a very good list and a very true one I have lived through or heard most of this stuff from my husband s family ciao Kat Reply July 27th 2007 at 21 38 Rositta Well not every single one needs to be true Just if you identify with most of the list then you re not Greek melusina wrote July 27th 2007 at 19 33 Lol Unfortunately some of those things are true for me But I m definitely not Greek just married to one Kat Reply July 27th 2007 at 21 39 Mel I believe many things on the list would be true for you since it s a list of things that identify you as not being Greek It s a you know you re NOT Greek list not a you know you ARE Greek list toomanytribbles wrote July 27th 2007 at 20 51 according to your list i m not greek but then i am but i don t feel greek but sometimes i do I M SO CONFUSED i m a citizen of the world better huh in all seriousness though i ve often wrestled with the idea that being greek has nothing to do with the stereotypes even if they re self imposed by greeks themselves Kat Reply July 27th 2007 at 21 40 TMT I think people adapt to their situation be it marriage a spouse or child s habits lifestyle country and city of residence circumstances standard of living and anything else I agree with you but stereotypes like jokes are nearly always based on some truth AND there are always exceptions That s the beauty of life Anyway it s not a serious list or test of one s identity it s just something fun for Friday Sydney wrote July 28th 2007 at 01 18 Great list How about You re not Greek if you ve ever thought I wonder if it s okay to smoke here Kat Reply July 28th 2007 at 20 41 Syd I thought of smoking but a lot of Europeans smoke like chimneys and a lot of my Greek friends don t smoke maybe because they exercise tayrina wrote July 29th 2007 at 01 17 great list it seems like you ve really gotten the idea of the greek mentality i would also add u know u r not greek if u don t use the word μαλάκας 3 324 times a day either being good intentioned or bad to the person u r talking to Kat Reply July 29th 2007 at 20 42 Tayrina That s a good point LOL christina wrote July 29th 2007 at 19 13 Too funny 7 14 16 19 21 29 32 and 39 would also be candidates for the You Know You re Not German If list Kat Reply July 29th 2007 at 21 42 Christina Darn maybe I ll have to revise the list yiannos wrote July 29th 2007 at 20 11 LOL 40 51 especially although the whole list is great Greek women thinking other women are trying to their steal their men whether foreign or otherwise is definitely on the mark some of them are paranoid beyond belief i know this from first and second hand experience they like to play the whole i don t need you game but whenever they see you talking to another woman you NEVER hear the end of it i kept having to joke to my old Greek gf that i m not all that desirable to women as attractive as she was but the joke would fly over her head hahah Kat Reply July 29th 2007 at 22 44 Yiannos The thing that gets me is the whole ownership thing our men I ve been around the world and never heard women say that and I don t think men on the whole enjoy being the possession of anyone unless by choice Women would come up to my boyfriends while I m standing there and ask them what s wrong with you can t you get a real woman aka Greek And my boyfriends say oh she s more a woman than you ll ever be And I m thinking oh yes why wouldn t he want such a polite lovely and endearing creature like you Unafraid of confrontation and competition I dare these women to go ahead and take him from me if she s really all that And if he did belong to her hey good luck with that They usually go away sneering and spitting I could care less And with regard to you don t sell yourself short With regard to your ex it goes back to the whole can t do a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent thing again yiannos wrote July 29th 2007 at 23 12 kat although i may not be my place to say i m under the impression that young to younger greek women under 40 are more aggressive in this regard due to the subordinate past and the rubbish they may have seen their mothers grandmothers aunties friends put up with but also their own negative attitudes about men their exual prowess and the lack of morals they associate with it unfortunately many of them not all choose to deal with the situation wrongly mostly via preemptive strike tactics esp the old candy and cyanide trick routinely mixing sweetness with lethal doses of poison not exactly healthy is it btw i guess what i posted isn t all that relevant since you were speaking from the position of a foreigner but it still paints a picture either way at least in my head Kat Reply July 30th 2007 at 00 46 For most of my time here the only Greek women I ve been friends with are those who have lived outside the country usually in the UK and USA and or those who think differently are highly educated and usually athletic I always try to get along with everyone female whether at work or my male friends girlfriends people I club with or those on the street and it never works out Someone s jealous or mean or burns me with cigarettes my hand my clothes once someone threw a butt at my head on the street while my back was turned or comes to my house parties and doesn t speak to me or bring a gift after I ve brought them nice NY gifts for years Again it s like an investment you ve got to cut your losses after putting a significant amount of time and energy into it without payoff I don t have time or energy to spare on stupidity and self esteem issues There are nice men and women all over the world and I m grateful to call some of them my friends PIC wrote July 30th 2007 at 12 49 Kat You really have had some bad experiences with Greeks from reading your stories Do you live in a working class read upscale foreigners scarce area I feel so bad when I hear that you have had such a bad time You must be extremely attractive and such a big threat to the Greek women or they have perceived you as being from Albania and then they can be really nasty My Greek men friends tend to be Greek Americans ONLY except for a few and that s because most Greek men I ve befriended bore me I don t like Soccer I don t smoke I don t use curse words and I don t like sitting at cafe s all day burning daylight and I don t like to discuss how great Greece is 24 hours a day Megan wrote July 30th 2007 at 15 48 My favorite 17 The donkey you ve been photographed with doesn t belong to you or anyone you know Sydney wrote July 30th 2007 at 18 06 Yes lots of Europeans smoke and lots of Greeks don t but Greece is the only place I ve been where people will smoke in your home when you don t in the blood lab at the hospital saw it with my own eyes in the dentist and doctor s office and in the grocery store It seemed to me that the Greeks I knew who smoked and most of them didn t actually but the ones who did never had a thought about whether lighting up was appropriate for the location FWIW that s my 02 Kat Reply July 30th 2007 at 23 50 Sydney I know what you mean but most people I ve encountered always ask me first if it s OK I do find it strange when some people won t smoke in their own house because it stinks but have no problem at all coming over to my house to stink it up And to boot they get mad and say I m a bad host if I tell them that I also don t want my house to stink Baffling PIC wrote July 30th 2007 at 21 56 Sydney my doctor nice guy smoked the first two times I visited him On the third visit I told him I really appreciated his kind bedside manner and really appreciated his caring nature Then I asked him if he would not smoke while I was in his office because a relative died of cancer lung cancer and although he tried to convince him that smoking is not the only thing that can kill you he promised not to smoke in the office again while I m there HE NEVER DID So just ask em not to Kat Reply July 31st 2007 at 00 51 PIC I ve lived in neighborhoods near the center in the south and in the north Doesn t seem to matter where I go upscale or not or how I get there bus metro private taxi walking in Kolonaki I get treated relatively the same though some of it may be more concealed than blatant The thing is I like being friends with people of all types I don t classify anyone as long as we get along I ve also never stopped to analyze the reason I just accept things continue to be nice and hope something good comes of it anastako wrote August 1st 2007 at 00 34 I stumbled upon accidentally OK well I am Greek and is it wrong that I enjoy all of these This is our culture our way of life our traditions I know a lot of Greeks who say thank you frequently or who do not smoke in public and I also know a lot of tourists here in Greece who do not respect anything I have seen people in NY behave worse sometimes and at least in Greece if you fall on the street someone will come and ask are you all right BTW I visited Parthenon because I wanted it not because i was obliged But as with a humor point of view I sure laughed Wish the Best Kat Reply August 2nd 2007 at 21 49 Hi Anastako welcome It s absolutely not wrong to enjoy these and anything else you like I did not include smoking on the list because like you I know many who do not smoke at all And as you said I know many tourists who respect nothing not just here but everywhere and I find it shameful I lived in NY and many places around the world and you will always find someone nicer or ruder than someone else I ve fallen face down in the street after tripping and no one cared in Athens but many people came to my aid in NY There are always exceptions like I said before This list was only for fun and laughs I m not making fun of Greeks I m making fun of everyone including myself I was ignorant 12 years ago when I thought Greek salad had lettuce and now I m a bit smarter Sto kalo thomas wrote August 3rd 2007 at 20 32 I ve visited greece countless times I thought about moving there permanently at one point I have many greek friends I am greek orthodox and grew up listenng to Marinela and Xilouris It always bothered me to see how greeks dislike albanians though It seems that the whole nation is unable to differentiate between a few criminals and honest hard working people Both my parents are of greek ancestry Half my mother s family actually was lucky enough to be in Athens when the borders closed in 1945 thus avoiding being trapped behind the iron curtain My grandfather was tried as a fictitious greek spy I have never been discriminated in Greece My friends would never even remotely allow it and I can stand up for myself And the reason why people resort to stereotyping is just pure ignorance I don t think greeks are homo exuals or their ideal romantic encounters involve minors The reality is clear The Balkans have a long way to go before neighbours can fully trust each other Greeting from Florida Kat Reply August 4th 2007 at 00 54 Thomas Thank you for coming by and sharing a little of your story It s always interesting to hear different points of view from Greeks living abroad who remain proud of their origin but may not be fond of other homeland qualities And of course you ve never been discriminated against in Greece you re Greek and probably haven t stayed long enough to break through the facade You re in a unique situation in that you can choose to embrace things Greek and non Greek and discard other things you dislike because you live somewhere accepting I lived in Florida for awhile and liked it quite a lot and the mosquitoes were very welcoming and happy to see me as well LOL Dimitris wrote August 4th 2007 at 18 17 Kali malakitsa plaka eixe Greeks work to live and dont live to work S G wrote August 7th 2007 at 14 34 wow according to your test many Europeans are half Greek cmon you should know the comma dot thing is a European thing the same about university college and I am only 30 Greek Kat Reply August 7th 2007 at 19 59 SG I m aware that many of these things apply to Europeans since I ve lived in another countries and retain several nationalities as friends however this list was prepared as a joke list to identify non Greeks predominantly Australians Canadians and Americans in my audience in Greece dealsend wrote August 7th 2007 at 14 44 Kat I enjoyed your list very much I dont agree with no 50 though 50 You complain about the public sector and don t want a job in it and you DO want a job in it I also read the last comment from Dimitris I didnt see anything offending for you or your post When you have a public blog you must accept all kinds of comments btw the guy didnt write anything wrong he was a bit ironic that was all Anyway you re on my rss reader so I wait to read more for you Kat Reply August 7th 2007 at 20 01 dealsend All non Greeks I know DON T want a job in it just as the list says Besides that only Greek citizens and Greek speaking EU citizens are permitted to hold public sector positions The only people I know who DO want a job in it even though they complain is Greeks As I ve stated many times before there are always exceptions It s a joke list I m not serious I obviously do know it s a public blog and accept all kinds of comments since I published it didn t I I m not sure why you re stating the obvious If I didn t accept them I would have deleted it and you wouldn t have been able read it Thanks for stopping by and subscribing yiannos wrote August 7th 2007 at 15 50 greeks and irony dicey proposition sarcasm and humor are not too well understood there 0 PIC wrote August 7th 2007 at 20 46 Kat many greeks say they are being Ironic but I always think it s sarcasm What is the the difference between sarcasm and

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  • Minimum monthly salaries of EU countries
    worst in EU Kathimerini Income and Living Conditions Eurostat Minimum Social Standards Across Europe 2006 European Anti Poverty Network Η λήξη συμβάσεων φέρνει νέα εποχή στα μισθολογικά Naftemporiki Permalink 7 Comments dealsend wrote April 4th 2008 at 10 28 You know what it would be more interesting To compare the salaries with the cost of living for each country if I remember correct Greece comes just under UK which is the most expensive Great article though Great work as always Cat Kat Reply April 4th 2008 at 20 35 There s not a lot of room to expand the table however I ll provide a link in the interim and see if I can work in your suggestion Anyone can republish the information as long as the source me this site is listed much like I always reference my sources melusina wrote April 4th 2008 at 15 05 You don t realize how bad things are until you see the actual numbers Anything under 1000 is completely shocking but those last few countries on the list blow my mind I realize things probably aren t as expensive there but these are supposed to be EU countries Things have to get better worldwide graffic wrote April 5th 2008 at 13 27 I won t consider the minimum salary as a sign of wealth in countries where laws are not enforced I mean Why is that number so important if in the end the companies will pay you what they want And moreover you cannot do anything to fight your money back and you accept it In Spain the minimum salary is a political object All political parties argue about it it s important during the elections But if you have a problem with getting the minimum amount it will take you more than the minimum salary to be able to enforce it Alejandro Aumaitre wrote April 8th 2008 at 00 17 Hi Kat Well based on your experience Could someone live with the minimun salary of 700 euros a month I mean pay for a lease transport groceries utilities you know the basic for a living Thanks Kat wrote April 8th 2008 at 21 01 AA If you re paying your own rent and are OK with public transport never going out and economizing with food there s no way you can make it on the minimum unless you re sharing expenses with someone else spouse friend roommate There are cost of living and other articles under Economy that you can view Graf said it very well on one of his comments about living on one s own Say your rent is 400 very conservative I assure you kinokrista common expenses shared by tenants 15 90 euros 100 euros for petrol in winter a bus metro pass is 35 euros there s 100 150 for food and then add electricity maybe 25 75 water 10 cell phone mostly sms urgent calls 25 30 That s more than 700 euros even if

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  • Minimum salary vs. cost and quality of living in the EU
    13 47 Newer members 16 Malta 15 No rank No rank 17 Slovenia 16 20 76 18 80 18 Cyprus 18 25 118 22 91 19 Czech Republic 19 16 49 15 72 20 Hungary 20 18 70 16 74 21 Poland 21 No rank 20 85 22 Estonia 22 21 90 21 89 23 Slovakia 23 12 31 24 99 24 Lithuania 24 24 116 19 82 25 Latvia 25 19 72 23 92 26 Romania 26 22 96 25 108 27 Bulgaria 27 23 108 26 116 Croatia is an EU member state as of July 1 2013 Sourced from previous articles Minimum salaries in the EU Quality of Living rankings by Mercer Cost of Living rankings by Mercer Author s Note Comparisons such as these are provided for the convenience of readers who may be interested I myself do not compare countries as a general rule because I believe it is important to visit a country and match its conditions to what your personal priorities circumstances and goals are now and in the future Permalink No comments yet Sorry comments are closed at this time Greek News RT PGiannakouris Clouds over the ancient Acropolis hill Ap photo Petros Giannakouris https t co jFy9mSPzNA RT nytimesworld Tales of break ins burglaries and robberies accompany the Greek debt crisis http t co dPVxf6vOb2 http t co diLJm39OQa RT graemewearden Greek parliament approves bailout reform package as it happened http t co qs5iiGi4Ju http t co 64IhO9LCts RT TheEconomist Here is an effort to explain the Greek deal in all its absurdity http t co M5vRLtUHr3 http t co a245q6cV6h Banks open today in Greece but many limitations and capital controls still in place naftemporikigr http t co JgPaqMcgIK RT TheEconomist No means yes Signing a humiliating agreement is just the start for Greece http t co UyDFKUZ6rB http t co G26avOjX3E RT graemewearden Greek crisis Protests in Athens ahead of tonight s bailout vote live Photos Reuters AP http t co qpBFeTSk6F http Follow livingingreece Best of 1 KTEL Buses of Greece 2 Acquiring EU citizenship through ancestry or naturalization 3 Jobs and salaries in Athens Greece 4 Free Greek language lessons 5 Best places to work in Greece 6 Should I move to Greece 7 Taste of America in Greece 8 How to start a business in Greece 9 Athens Greece Cost of living Best of An American in Athens 1 Four songs in Greek that make me cry 2 Why don t you speak Greek fluently 3 Thanks to Greece I ve been reunified with myself 4 More windows on Greek TV than my house 5 Cockroaches and courthouses leases and landlords in Athens 6 Girl of the Greek green clover 7 The nightbird For Americans non EU citizens 1 How Americans non EU citizens can get a permit to live and work in Greece 2 Common jobs for English speaking foreigners in Greece 3 Jobs at the American Embassy in Greece 4 Overstaying a visa in

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  • Greek census 2011: We’ve been counted
    not ask about countries I lived in previously Was told that foreign is foreign A friend told a different variation saying the enumerator asked everyone regardless of nationality Have you ever lived in a foreign country If yes when did you last most recently come to Greece return permanently and from which country Where do you vote place of politika dikaiomata Children How many Birthdate s Country of birth Public or private school Questionnaire did not allow for dual citizenship with the enumerator checking Greek then Other and writing in the other nationality Education What level of education did you complete If you went to university which one Where is it located What subject did you study Employment Do you work in the public or private sector Neither of us works in the dimosio so what follows pertains to the private sector What type of business Occupation and title Location of primary workplace How many colleagues co workers do you have How many hours do you work per week Paid unpaid Some people were told to only give the official number of hours i e 20 40 regardless of actual hours i e 35 60 Income Second jobs are not counted and working for an employer outside Greece is categorized as not working in Greece aka unemployed which in my opinion is somewhat inaccurate Accuracy of data being collected is also a contentious issue and some variation could have been avoided if online surveys were used instead It s supposed to take 20 25 minutes but ours only took 10 minutes According to news articles we were supposed to be given information about organ donation but we had to ask It was not automatically offered Every member of the family including babies gets a receipt that they participated even if they re not physically at home and a warning at the bottom advises you to keep it for your protection for up to six months It is said that we should carry this receipt in case police ask to see it Apografi receipt Image may not be reused Residents can be fined from 1 000 to 50 000 euros for not participating and census takers from 10 000 to 200 000 euros for divulging confidential information Image had vital details Photoshopped to protect privacy and prevent forgery Other people s experience 2011 Greek census on Symi Symi Dream Census It s All Greek to Me If you wrote about your census experience in Greece leave a comment and a link if you would like to be added to the list Sources First hand experience ours and those of friends who agreed to answer questions namely CEO FA and DNK Στις 30 Μαρτίου ξεκινά η απογραφή πληθυσμού Ta Nea Greek census underway Kathimerini Στις 10 Μαΐου ξεκινά η απογραφή του πληθυσμού Ta Nea Την Τρίτη ξεκινά η απογραφή Ta Nea Ελάτε να ξανά µετρηθούµε Ta Nea Απογραφή αλά ελληνικά Eleftherotypia Απογραφή τύπου Greek statistiks Eleftherotypia Τελευταία ημέρα για την απογραφή SKAI Ολοκληρώθηκε η απογραφή Eleftherotypia Shortlink http bit ly GRcensus Permalink 18 Comments dwain wrote May 23rd 2011 at 22 33 Yeah this was a whole lot of fun to try to fill out The spaces for writing in Other answers were like trying to write on grains of rice My favorite question on it was for females of household over 10 and it was about how many babies you have born not counting dead born babies What a morose caveat Kat Reply May 24th 2011 at 00 26 Yes I left that morbid question off the list but now you ve made it known Alexandros wrote May 24th 2011 at 00 37 I ve been waiting since day one but no one has visited my neighborhood yet so I guess today is their last chance I believe though that a census conducted via mail at least in the cities and towns would be more effective Kat Reply May 24th 2011 at 07 45 The ministry said this morning that the census would not be extended so if they don t get to you today I guess you won t be counted or you can go to a local office and fill out a questionnaire Wendy wrote May 24th 2011 at 11 53 Thanks for the mention of It s All Greek to Me Sorry that my article didn t have anything to contribute Love your article mylene wrote May 24th 2011 at 15 54 hi we didn t get census as well we are waiting for them but no one comes to our place and is it true that we have to pay 1000 euros for those who didn t got the chance for census thanks Kat Reply May 25th 2011 at 11 22 If you were not counted see the new section called Where and when to fill out a census questionnaire All best Alexandros wrote May 24th 2011 at 20 27 No worries I will be included in the Greek population after all This morning a girl who was in a hurry came by and completed the paper in less than 10 minutes cause she still has many people to count Fofos wrote May 26th 2011 at 13 07 Hey Kat what s your opinion on the greek protests Kat Reply May 26th 2011 at 19 10 I appreciate your question but I only write commentaries for news agencies All best KatB wrote May 27th 2011 at 12 20 Someone came around to collect the info for the census a young guy but as I was just about to go out he said he d return the next day after 18 00 but never did photene wrote May 29th 2011 at 16 35 I m confused why would the police need to see it I ve obviously missed something but ummmmm that seems weird Kat Reply May 29th 2011 at 21 50 Because under law 3832 2010 which I mention in the post we are obligated to participate

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  • List of current Schengen countries
    in border control data management and communication between police border control airports customs coast guard asylum and immigration authorities A similar inspection took place in 2010 after which several deficiencies were detected Results of a 2011 investigation say that Greece remains Schengen s weakest link Greece in turn claims that Schengen visas remain an obstacle to attracting tourists and hurting the economy and it wants a more relaxed policy Revisions to Schengen may allow the COE to conduct unannounced inspections and the EC to temporarily suspend or eject Greece for renewable 30 day periods during which all travelers entering or exiting its borders regardless of nationality and visa free status will be subject to passport control FT Kathimerini Citizens elected neo Nazis into Parliament after which Greece began an illegal immigrant crackdown in August 2012 to prove it s serious about remaining in Schengen Largely criticized as racist since Asians and Africans are targeted police have detained 95 percent legal immigrants tourists and visiting businessmen Visa Information Systems The Visa Information Systems VIS which stores and links the fingerprints photo passport and personal information of each visa applicant was scheduled to be fully operational in all Schengen countries and all consulates issuing Schengen visas by 2014 It aims to establish a system that is fair secure and transparent preventing non EU citizens from renting passports shopping for a visas in a different countries and alerting consulates on who was denied a visa and why Rollout began in Africa and is set to include the Gulf from October 2 2012 then Asia Schengen visa applicants in countries where VIS is set up must give fingerprints as part of their application from October 11 2011 The VIS will not initially be linked to the Schengen Information System SIS which stores the names of cross border crime suspects and the movements of non EU citizens in the Schengen zone Though it is expected that VIS will eventually be integrated with SIS II which went live in April 2013 As of 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 Bulgaria and Romania were scheduled to join Schengen in March 2011 but Germany and France voiced opposition in December 2010 and an EU inspection report published July 20 2011 cited extreme deficiencies in both countries in overcoming crime and corruption The Economist The Netherlands also vetoed entry in December 2011 and March 2012 Sweden said it would not block Bulgaria from Schengen even after a number of its citizens were tricked across the border for non existent fruit picker jobs in July 2012 A meeting and vote scheduled for September 19 20 2012 was canceled after the Netherlands acknowledged Bulgaria had made progress but not enough on border controls and organized crime for entry and Germany the Netherlands and Belgium said it would not support Romania entering Schengen due to ongoing political turmoil and instability FT Novinite WSJ A report from the European Commission said both countries met technical criteria but a high level of corruption persists at border areas Another meeting and vote scheduled for March 2013 was postponed to December when Germany Finland and the Netherlands voiced their intention to veto entry Bulgaria also exacerbated doubts of instability and diminished its chances of entering Schengen when its government resigned in February 2013 DW Economist Bloomberg Reuters BBC News Norway also voiced opposition in August 2013 and France in September 2013 Bulgaria and Romania did not qualify to join in 2013 or 2014 and is looking to 2015 Countries seeking to enter Schengen must gain unanimous approval by all existing member countries then pass a final vote in European Parliament As of 2015 Croatia became a full member of the EU on July 1 2013 laying the groundwork to enter Schengen in 2015 Since the Paris shooting at Charlie Hebdo Spain and Belgium have called for return of passport and border checks within the Schengen zone and reform of the visa policy As of 2016 Cyprus was due to enter Schengen in March 2010 but is not yet a full member according to the official EU website and will be evaluated at the end of 2013 with a view to possible entry in 2016 See Countries in the Schengen Area Entrance to Schengen is believed to be partly political and no official date to ascension has been announced Designed by Ryan Smethurst Visa free to Schengen vs Being a Schengen member Being a citizen of a country granted visa free travel to Schengen is not the same thing as being a member of Schengen For example American and Australian citizens have been granted visa free travel to the Schengen zone for up to 90 days as explained in Countries that enjoy visa free travel to Greece but the USA and Australia are not in Schengen and never will be because these countries are not on the European continent Schengen countries are those that have signed a treaty and met satisfactory political and economic stability requirements plus passed strict inspections pertaining to border control passport specifications and security checks over a period of years Questions 1 Is in Schengen or when is going to join Schengen If a country is not listed as a member or a candidate it is not in Schengen or scheduled to join Schengen The article is updated regularly 2 If I have a residence work permit from can I move to or live work in No Residence work permits from one Schengen country are not transferable to another Schengen country Why Schengen pertains to visas temporary stays not permits permanent stays Permits are granted on the basis on rules and regulations in whatever country issued it it is not permission to live work in the entire zone There are no Schengen wide residence work permits 3 If I have a residence work permit from can I travel to or visit Yes If you have a valid unexpired residence work permit from one Schengen country you are generally allowed to travel to and visit another Schengen member state However you should verify this with the country s authorities that issued you the permit i e The interior ministry the foreign ministry a border agency or the relevant consulate embassy nearest your residence No If the country you want to visit is not on the list Confirm with local authorities in the country that issued the permit if a visa is required 4 If I have a Schengen visa issued by can I travel to or visit Yes The fourth paragraph of this article states this If you have a Schengen visa issued by one Schengen country you may visit all countries in the Schengen zone those listed above during the validity of your visa which is usually 90 days maximum in any 180 day period One of the countries you visit should be the country that issued you the Schengen visa i e If the Greek consulate embassy issued you a Schengen visa then you should enter through Greece as the first country of your trip OR Greece should be on the itinerary of main countries you re visiting No If you have a Schengen visa that lists exclusions or exceptions you are not allowed to visit whatever countries are off limits to you Or if you went to the Greek consulate embassy and were issued a Schengen visa but you have no intention on visiting Greece the country or countries you end up visiting can invalidate or cancel your Schengen visa Why Because it s the law and it looks like you applied under false pretenses 5 If I have a non Schengen visa issued by can I travel to or visit No The fourth paragraph of this article states this National visas or other non Schengen visas are only good in the country that issued it Countries in the EU EEA eurozone and Schengen all belong to a greater whole but let s remember that individual countries retain their separate laws and borders 6 If I m a non EU citizen and acquire dual citizenship with an EU EEA country does Schengen still apply Of course not As an EU EEA citizen you can live work and travel freely in the EU EEA Schengen area because visas are unnecessary and the 90 180 rule is no longer relevant I do not answer questions about visas and permits for countries other than Greece as it would be impossible to learn the laws languages and ever changing bureaucracy governing hundreds of visas and permits issued by all European countries Please consult local authorities or the embassy consulate nearest your residence that represents the country concerned Sources A tour of eastern and western Europe The Economist Privacy a central issue in new Schengen database DW Countries in the Schengen Area europa eu Q A Schengen Agreement BBC Thai citizens refused entry to Germany due to scam Nation Germany steps up security at border with Poland Υπό επιτήρηση η Ελλάδα και για τη Σένγκεν Kathimerini The Greece clause EU plans to exclude wayward Schengen countries FT Schengen Information System II on track for 2013 Guardian Romania may join Schengen in two step process by 2012 Business Week Finland softens stance on Bulgaria Romania Reuters Schengen countries begin collecting fingerprints for visa applications EU Observer Σε λειτουργία το νέο σύστημα θεωρήσεων διαβατηρίων της ΕΕ To Vima Schengen Stricter EU rules to prevent illegal border checks European Parliament Lichtenstein joins Schengen on December 19 EU Observer Visas in Europe Keep out The Economist France and Germany want new Schengen rules Reuters Spike in cross border car thefts upon Poland s entry to Schengen Der Spiegel Visas in Europe EU s restrictive policies irk some big neighbouring countries The Economist Netherlands defends border control project EU Observer Dutch say no to Bulgaria Romania Schengen entry Reuters Europe pursues tighter borders WSJ Germany Austria warn Greece to tighten border controls Reuters Faced with expulsion from Schengen Greece clamps down on migrants EU Activ Mini Schengen for Ireland UK Business Post Signposts of EU s imperfect union NY Times Germany says no to Bulgaria joining Schengen in 2012 Noinvite Bulgaria and Romania A lighter shade of grey The Economist VIS cuts Schengen visa abuse Computer Weekly Kosovars with Schengen visas may visit Croatia as of January 2013 Kosova Press EU plans to tighten Schengen visa rules Deutsche Welle Illegals slip over Turkish Greek border NY Times Why the EU should starting discriminating again Telegraph EU s bureaucratic safari WSJ Europe seeks to stem flow of Balkan asylum seekers Reuters Poland to suspend Schengen from Nov 8 23 2013 Krakow Post Related posts Non EU travelers to Greece need 50 euros a day Countries that enjoy visa free travel to Greece What is an EFTA country What is an EEA country http bit ly Schengen http www lufthansa com de en Travel information blt p GR blt l en blt t Homepage2011 blt e Passinglane blt n Quicklinks blt z Current 20travel 20information Permalink 28 Comments Jul wrote July 27th 2007 at 00 48 Not until 2008 I knew Switzerland had signed on but didn t know the date Every time I fly I hope that it s gone into effect already Kat wrote July 29th 2007 at 20 51 You highlight an important point Some people believe that Switzerland is an EU member state it isn t Some people believe Switzerland is part of Schengen it isn t at least not yet abdul wrote July 27th 2010 at 00 41 please what about turkey Are they a EU member or a Schengan state thank you Kat Reply July 27th 2010 at 01 40 Turkey is not on the schedule to join Schengen and cannot ascend to the EU because it has not met eligibility on 35 chapters of the acquis communautaire required to join So the answers are no and no richard wrote October 26th 2010 at 11 48 is croatia also among schengen countries Kat Reply October 26th 2010 at 21 33 Croatia is not on the list so the answer is no Tim wrote November 8th 2010 at 17 51 And Albania Joined Schengen Countries P Kat Reply November 8th 2010 at 19 59 That s not true Albania and Bosnia were approved by EU Parliament on October 7 to have visa free access to Schengen and the EU member states interior ministers approved it November 8 But the visa free status for biometric passport holders will not be in effect until mid December Being granted visa free access to Schengen is a very different thing than being a full member of the Schengen zone For example U S and Canadian citizens can travel visa free to Schengen but the USA and Canada are not part of Schengen Albania is NOT scheduled to join the Schengen zone and has a long way to go before it can be a candidate franco wrote November 16th 2010 at 19 18 Se un cittadino russo con permesso soggiorno a tempo inderminato in italia decide di visitare la Svizzera ha l obbligo di visto Kat Reply November 16th 2010 at 20 47 Mi pare di capire da Stranieri un cittadino russo con un permesso in italia può visitare la Svizzera come un turista Si prega di verificare con sportelli unici per l immigrazione o polizia di stato Grazie molla wrote December 1st 2010 at 20 35 i humbly want to know if is possible for some one to travel to Germany or Belgium with a Latvia visa meaning his or her flight final destination is Latvia and later on want s to visit the other countries of Schengen thank u and best regards Kat Reply December 1st 2010 at 23 16 You did not provide enough information about the visa you were given so it is impossible to give you an exact answer If you have a Schengen visa issued by Latvia and it does not have restrictions you can visit other Schengen countries If you have a Schengen visa and it has restrictions you cannot visit the countries it lists If you have a national visa issued by Latvia you can only go to Latvia and pass through the airports necessary on your way there and back to your own country You are not permitted to visit any other country In all cases you must follow the time restriction For example if the visa is for one week you must finish all your travel in one week If it is for 90 days you must complete all travel and be back in your country before 90 days antony wrote February 1st 2011 at 15 16 will ever Cyprus join schengen Leah wrote February 14th 2011 at 23 08 Hello I am holding a Filipino passport and a 5 year residence card for Belgium My Belgian husband and I are planning to go to Greece in May for vacation Do I need to apply for a tourist visa or does it suffice to just present my Belgian residence card like what we usually do when we travel to other Schengen countries and Greece is part of the Schengen like France and Italy Please advise Kat Reply February 15th 2011 at 01 51 In Countries that enjoy visa free travel to Greece and Countries that need a visa to Greece I mention in both that anyone with an unexpired residence permit issued by an EU or Schengen member state may visit Greece Schengen zone for 90 days in any 180 day period You are correct Enjoy your trip riverson wrote February 15th 2011 at 12 53 when will Croatia Romania Belarus Georgia Turkey etc join the schengen states Kat Reply February 17th 2011 at 02 15 Schengen is not a club that countries can easily join Countries need meet strict rules and implementation policies surrounding air land border security policing visa issuance enforcement and data privacy protection It also involves several inspection visits by EU officials Four countries you named have a long way to go as none are scheduled to join sheng wrote March 21st 2011 at 00 08 is andorra still part of spain is Andorra included in Schengen countries thanks Kat Reply March 22nd 2011 at 02 32 Andorra is a landlocked independent country between Spain and France It is not in the EU or Schengen Pushpa wrote March 27th 2011 at 00 59 Is Prague under the Schengen visa category Kat Reply March 28th 2011 at 00 58 Answer is in the article above Prague is a city in the Czech Republic Is the Czech Republic on the Schengen list If not no If yes yes All best Marc wrote March 30th 2011 at 02 54 Hi I m Filipino but now I live in Italy with a regular Permit permesso di soggiorno I ve entered in Italy with a Schengen Visa Is there a possibility that I can move and work in switzerland I know that with my italian permit i can stay there 3 months but the questions is can i transfer there and work can i easily get a swiss working visa Kat Reply March 30th 2011 at 03 39 When you re granted a residence work permit by Italy it means you can live and work in Italy If you decide to move to Switzerland you must investigate whether you qualify and can be granted permission to live and work in Switzerland because it s a separate country with completely different laws Except under special circumstances residence work permits are NOT transferable between countries no matter if they are both EU or both Schengen Having a Schengen visa does not allow you to work anywhere Contact Italian or Swiss authorities with your question I am an expert on Greece and have no intention on learning the bureaucracy languages and laws of the entire zone Uda wrote April 4th 2011 at 20 07 Hi I am working in Switzerland and I have Swiss B permit With this

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    getting yelled at honest I have read and re read your fantastic articles but still need clarification on a Schengen question Forgive me but you have a remarkable gift for being crystal clear and writing on arcane laws in a digestible way As you and I both know if I ask the Greek consulates I will get various answers your answers are clearer and more reliable I am a Canadian citizen retired independent means I go to Greece annually from 1 to 3 months at a time for 25 yrs now Last year I started the process to buy land and am in the process for getting approved for that by the Grk govt I am going to spend 76 days in Crete this winter Feb 17 to May 4 I may want to come back in October to oversee the building progress My confusion is over whether I have to stay out 90 days or 180 days By October 180 days will not have passed does that mean I only have 14 days on that original 90 that started in February Or will I be Ok I am entering and exiting the Zone through Frankfurt thanks Kat Reply January 19th 2011 at 02 37 Hi Nancy Please understand that I am firm with people who have plagiarized slandered threatened or heckled me previously usually for not being Greek and ironically used my information And even then I m still nice My policy says I delete redundant questions but I often show forgiveness publish them anyway and repeat myself I may soon enforce the policy as written because I cannot continue to stay up until 3 a m to help people It s not necessary to compliment me to receive help The Schengen rule is a maximum of 90 days in any 180 day period The 180 days starts on the day you enter the Schengen zone Assuming your Frankfurt layover is not the day before on February 16 your 180 days starts running on February 17 That means you can stay in Schengen including Greece for a maximum of 90 days until August 17 which is 180 days from February 17 You re in the clear By the time you come back in October the maximum 90 days in any 180 day period will not be a factor It would only be a factor if you came back before August 17 So if you arrive on October 1 you can stay another 90 days until approximately April 1 2012 which is 180 days from October 1 Can you see how the maximum 90 days in any 180 day period works It s not a matter of staying out for 90 days or 180 days It s a matter of how many of those 90 days was used in any 180 day period The itinerary you have planned will not cause you to overstay your visa in Greece so enjoy your trip and best of luck with the house Hope to see you here again Rhonda wrote March 14th 2011 at 12 34 My son is travelling on an Australian passport he has spent almost 3 months in Norway He has been told he has to leave for 3 months before he can return to any of the Schengen countries Is this correct is there any way he can return any earlier if he wants Kat Reply March 15th 2011 at 00 19 Hi Rhonda this is true As I detail above Australian passport holders can be in Schengen for a maximum of 90 days in any 180 day period So if he s been in Norway for 90 days he needs to leave Schengen for 90 days before he can return The only way around this would have been to apply for and be issued a long stay visa before he departed Australia and or qualified for a residence permit in Norway or another Schengen country to stay longer If he tries to come back sooner he will almost certainly be denied entry He could stay longer than 90 days but he ll be fined for overstaying his visa upon leaving Norway Schengen and penalties are quite steep plus possible blacklisting up to five years Keynan wrote March 19th 2011 at 13 01 I m holding a somali passport and have a resident permit in bosnia so can i visit in holland without visa or i need to apply visa schengen please advice Kat Reply March 20th 2011 at 01 41 In order to travel visa free to The Netherlands or as you called it Holland you must be a citizen and have a passport from one of the Schengen EU or non EU countries listed above or have a residence permit from one of the Schengen or EU countries listed above Somali and Bosnia are on none of these lists Therefore you need to go to the nearest Dutch embassy consulate and apply for a visa Eloise wrote April 8th 2011 at 23 15 Hi I have two questions 1 I am a South African passport holder with indefinite leave to remain in the UK married to a British citizen do I need a visa to visit Greece for a 2 week holiday Is this the same as an unexpired residence permit 2 If I do require a visa am I able to get it before I book my holiday Thank you Kat Reply April 9th 2011 at 14 11 Under Glossary and Completing application SET M as the husband wife of a UK citizen at the UK Border Agency it says indefinite leave to remain ILR is permission to stay permanently settle in the United Kingdom free from immigration control Under Travelling Abroad it says you are free to travel abroad and return provided you can show the immigration officer evidence in your passport or travel document that you have indefinite leave to remain Then under Visas for Foreign Citizens at the Greek Embassy in the UK it says Family members of EU EEA CH nationals who are holders of the relevant British residence documentation photo do NOT require a visa in order to enter Greece under the condition they are accompanied by the EU citizen or they are going to join him her Please click the link I gave look at the photo and check through the list of answers to frequently asked questions I suspect you do not need a visa for Greece but I cannot see what residence document you have I found these answers with a simple Google search even though I am not living in the UK or the spouse of a UK citizen Take advantage of the UK s ample resources and helpful Contact offices Have a nice trip Alp wrote April 15th 2011 at 12 22 Hi I am holding a Turkish passport and I have a long term residence permit for Romania which is in EU but still non Schengen Does this residence permit allow me to visit Greece without visa thank you in advance for your advice Kat Reply April 16th 2011 at 13 27 The answer to your question is in the article above under If you have a residence work permit You provided insufficient info for me to help further I know nothing about Romanian work permits and I do not speak read Romanian Through a simple Google search I found the Interior Ministry of Romania and a link on this page http www mai gov ro engleza index02 htm util which led me to this page about permits Look under Cetateni non EU http ori mai gov ro Contact local authorities for more information about what rights you have been granted with the permit eufenil wrote May 6th 2011 at 23 28 hi My husband and I are planning to visit greece for 1 week this coming summer He is a cypriot but i m from philippines do i still need to secure a tourist visa to enter and visit greece for 1 week Kat Reply May 7th 2011 at 01 13 Is Philippines on the list of visa free non EU countries No Being married to a Cypriot see If you are married to a Greek or EU citizen jorge wrote May 9th 2011 at 15 18 Hi I live in Usa I am from Cuba with passport from Cuba and I have permanent residence green card of Usa I want travel to Greece for holidays I need visa Thank you Kat Reply May 9th 2011 at 17 51 Is Cuba on the list of non EU countries No Is the USA on the list of EU Schengen countries No You need a visa Candice wrote May 10th 2011 at 23 32 Hi Kat My apologies for making you repeat yourself But i am very unsure of what to do I am a South African passport holder with Indef leave to remain in the un and been living here for 8 Years Do i need a visa for greese if i am going on a 2 week holiday Many Thanks for your help Candice Kat Reply May 10th 2011 at 23 41 You did not provide enough information for me to help you However If you mean the UK then please see the same answer I gave commentator Eloise above as she s also a South African passport holder holds the same type of permit and asked the same question All best Aune wrote May 16th 2011 at 17 48 Hi I am a Namibian National married to a British Citizen and in possession of a 2 year spouse visa Residence Permit However I would like to know whether I need a visa to go for a week on holiday to Greece My holiday to greece is booked already to go in a week s time there is no answer at the Embassy and I need clarification please before I turn up at the airport Please urgently advise Thank you Kat Reply May 16th 2011 at 19 05 As I said to Candice and Eloise who asked the same question I am an expert on Greece I am not versed on UK laws or UK residence work permits and I don t have time or desire to learn so I do not know what this permit entitles you to do or if it replaces the need for a visa Other than the Greek embassy you can take advantage of the UK s ample resources by following the links I provided in response to Eloise and or inquire at the UK Border Agency Contact Offices The typical way to plan a holiday is to first see if you need a visa then book tickets and accommodation not the other way around samroon wrote June 16th 2011 at 22 35 i m somlian and i live in uk i have a permanent certificate of identity travel document to stay in uk i have been in uk 3 years and 10 months i am not yet citizen but i m married to a citizen woman and my child is citizen too do i need a visa thankz Kat Reply June 16th 2011 at 23 27 Please read the advice I give under If you have a residence work permit and contact the UKBA http www ukba homeoffice gov uk All best Ruslan wrote July 3rd 2011 at 14 10 Hello i m living in Finland by oleskelulupa A status but this moment my documents at töyvoimatoimisto for a waithn long stay permit visa For me needed going to the Greece for a meeting by business trip for a short time for 10 days how can I get a visa Kat Reply July 3rd 2011 at 14 17 See my answer under If you have a residence work permit Call Finnish authorities about what your legal status entitles you to do and call the Greek consulate embassy nearest you to inquire if you need a visa Francisca wrote July 5th 2011 at 13 31 I would like to travel to Crete like tourist for one week in July My Chilean passport is valid till the 26th of September 2011 I have a French residence card valid till 2018 Can I travel on vacations without problem Thank you for your answer Kat Reply July 5th 2011 at 15 37 See my answer under If you have a residence work permit Call French authorities about what your residence card entitles you to do and call the Greek consulate embassy nearest you to inquire if you need a visa Note to All If people keep asking questions that are already answered in the article above I will close this post to comments trine wrote August 16th 2011 at 23 45 Hejsa Min kæreste og jeg vil gerne på en uges ferie til Grækenland Min kæreste er fra Somalia men har fremmedpas og permanemt opholdstilladelse i Danmark Skal han sige Visum for at komme ind i Grækenland eller hvordan Mvh Trine Hi My boyfriend and I would like to go on a week vacation to Greece He is from Somalia but has an aliens permanent residence permit in Denmark Should he get visa to enter Greece and how Regards Trina Kat Reply August 17th 2011 at 01 29 Danish is not one of the four languages I speak or write so please translate As I say in the article above under If you have a residence work permit most non EU citizens with a permit issued by an EU country can travel to Greece without a visa However I advise you to confirm information with your government and the Greek embassy consulate nearest you I found this with a simple Google search Danish Immigration Agency http www nyidanmark dk Embassy of Greece in Denmark 4 Hammerensgade 3rd floor 1267 Copenhagen Tel 45 33 114533 E mail greekembcop post tele dk Lucy wrote August 22nd 2011 at 19 29 Hi i am confused about one thing i am a bulgarian naional and my husband is an Iraqi naional but he holds a valid one year residence permit card family member issued by Bulgaria Would that be enough for him to travel together with me to Greece for one day or does he need a visa Thank you in advance Kat Reply August 22nd 2011 at 22 43 Best answer and advice I can give is already listed under If you have a residence work permit Please confirm with local authorities joseph wrote August 28th 2011 at 21 04 dear sirs I am a canadian citzen and i hold a canadian passport however my passport expires on januray 2012 i was planing to go for vacation in greece from 10 september 2011 for 2 weeks Do i have to renew the passport before travelling i hear some countries require minimum validity of passport of 6 months pls advise thnks Kat Reply August 29th 2011 at 01 45 I ve seen people travel with less but technically your passport is supposed to be valid for at least three 3 months after the date of departure So if you re departing September 10 your passport should be valid until December 10 You re fine Thanks for your question Rhea wrote August 29th 2011 at 23 03 Hi Me and my mates are going to greece for 2 weeks I am just wondering if i still need to apply for a visa to go to greece if i am a philippines passport holder but i have a uk permanent residency visa thank you Kat Reply August 29th 2011 at 23 47 A residence visa or a residence permit Please follow the advice I give under If you have a residence work permit gambo wrote December 5th 2011 at 02 10 i am from africa with ghana passport but i have romania citizenship do i need visa to go greece Kat Reply December 5th 2011 at 05 57 Question is already answered in the above article dee wrote March 31st 2012 at 18 21 Hi i am british and my husband is from jamaica but has the indefinate stay to remain in the uk stamped in his passport we wish to travel to greece for 6 days on holiday but does he need a visa to enter greece Kat Reply March 31st 2012 at 18 48 Quoted from the section If you have a residence work permit The EU is not one country and it is therefore impossible for me to know the different and ever changing laws governing every permit issued in 27 separate countries and what rights are granted to those who hold them You are encouraged to contact local authorities usually the interior ministry border agency or immigration center about what your permit entitles you to do and the Greek embassy consulate of your current country of residence to verify if you need a visa to visit Greece Please contact the UKBA or the Greek Embassy in London to confirm emannuel wrote April 21st 2012 at 01 51 hi i have a ghanian passport ive been living in the uk for about 20 years as i have been given leave to remain in the united kingdom for an indefinate period my partner is greek and would like to to go greece for a holiday for about 3 4 nights do i need a visa many thanks Kat Reply April 21st 2012 at 12 55 Please read the answer I gave Dee right above you anouk wrote May 6th 2012 at 23 30 hello im a south african citizen living in the netherlands for 10 years now i have a perminent residence permit Passport got stolen 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    EEA and EU residents Have a nice time M Sydney wrote February 23rd 2009 at 11 24 Hello I m planning on coming to Greece later this year as an Australian citizen to marry my fiancee What s the best process in terms of applying for a residency permit Is it best done from here before I leave or once I land What will I need for my claim Great site by the way Kat Reply February 25th 2009 at 22 00 Bring an original long version birth certificate with apostille applied you ll need that to get married The answers to your other questions are contained in How a non EU citizen can move live and work in Greece and Countries that enjoy visa free entry to Greece both articles are listed above in the 5th question Please read and search more carefully next time We ll see you over here Diph Schitt wrote February 26th 2009 at 19 11 Hi kat I m too lazy to read your site Can you please just email me all the info and then I ll decide what I d like to read later at my leisure Oh great site by the way hope this compliment helps you decide to repeat yourself and give me the info blindly Pravish wrote March 12th 2009 at 19 09 Hi am a Mauritian citizen living in ireland as a student visa will a need a visa to visit Greece and also when is the visa excemption for mauritius to enter eu be in force Kat Reply March 15th 2009 at 22 01 Visa free travel for Mauritian citizens had not come into effect on the date of your comment and the EU did not announce a date in the press release However Mauritius indeed entered the waiver program on May 29 2009 About your student visa you need to ask Irish authorities about what your visa entitles you to do Ireland and Greece are both in the EU but each country retains its separate laws permits and visas You also did not provide enough information to make it possible for me to help you Good luck chia wrote March 16th 2009 at 20 38 I have a flight booked to Athens on 19th March and we just found out that my boyfriend s passport is expiring next week He is an American citizen and we both live in Switzerland with Swiss B permits We probably will not be able to get a passport renewal in time we are trying at the embassy tomorrow but chances are slim Would it actually be possible to fly to Greece and enter exit with only his B permit His passport is valid flying in but not flying back to Switzerland Flight tickets are non refundable non changeable damn Swiss air economy tickets Your advice thoughts would be greatly appreciated Kat Reply March 16th 2009 at 22 03 There s no way a passport can be renewed and issued overseas by the U S passport authority in three days Even with expedited handling and an extra processing fee it takes one two weeks minimum since this is not a life death emergency Swiss airports were scheduled to end Schengen border checks on March 1 2009 so it s possible your boyfriend will not be checked coming into Greece which is also in Schengen or going out However I recommend you inquire at the U S Embassy because it is technically illegal to travel without a valid form of ID passport In fact Swiss authorities should not have issued him a permit for a validity longer than his passport i e they should have either forced him to renew his passport before issuing the permit or shortened the length of the permit to match his passport Though you may not have the same type of ticket Swiss Air does have economy tickets available that can be changed for 50 euros I know this because I ve flown with them for 9 years and have exercised this option So damning them is unjustified it s a matter of the choice you made rather than the airline s availability Have a nice trip angel wrote August 5th 2009 at 15 26 Hi Kat thank you so much for the website its really informative Just wanted some clarification on one subject I am Greek and my boyfriend is South African We both live in the UK not married but he has the residence permit for 5 years as a family member of an EEA national UK gave him that permit as we have been together for more than 2 years as unmarried partners The greek consulate here in UK told us that he doesnt need a visa to enter greece but how long can he stay in greece as a tourist more than 90days thanks in advance Kat Reply August 9th 2009 at 22 06 Hi Angel that s right Because he has a permit for the UK he is not required to get a visa to visit Greece as a tourist and can be in the entire Schengen zone for up to 90 days in any 180 day period These answers are in the article above but I was perfectly fine to repeat this information because you were polite and offered me valuable info in return Have a nice trip Elli wrote September 5th 2009 at 13 30 Hello Kat I assure you that i have read your wonderful web site top to bottom and back to front I am just a bit confused about 1 thing and have no idea about another I am a Canadian citizen and my boyfriend is Greek We have been together for 5 years and were originally getting married in August of 2010 We have decided to move up the wedding date and will be getting married in 7 weeks so that we don t have to continually split our times back and forth and are looking to settle down in 1 country we have been lucky as we have worked on ships together most of this time I have all the necessary paperwork Long form birth certificate on its way to Ministry of Foreign Affairs to be stamped as well as the paper that says that i am free to marry abroad also known in some countries as non impediment to marry I will have these translated when i arrive in Greece I will make sure that i have an entry stamp in my passport as well And of course the ad in 2 newspapers stating our intent to marry Question 1 I understand even from my cruise ship days that i do not need a Schengen Visa But do i need any other type of visa prior to my arrival I know the steps that i will take to register our marriage and everything else after but just need to know if once we are married will they say that i am missing some kind of visa Question 2 This one might be a stretch for me to ask your help answering can i enter the country on a one way plane ticket since my intent is to stay or must i have a return ticket that shows a departure out prior to my 90 days I could not enter the USA one way with intent to marry Period I would just like to know if from your knowledge this will be problematic I will be honest i have found a one way ticket that is 900 cheaper than a return flight one Money is tight and if it is legal then i will do it It it may cause me any sort of problems then it would not be worst any sort of risk I thank you so very much for any help you can give me and apologize in advance if i missed something in your articles along the way Elli Kat Reply September 6th 2009 at 06 07 I have an article pertaining to visa and permits for non EU citizens marrying in Greece but it s password protected due to several plagiarism incidents and commentators asking the same questions You didn t miss anything and I appreciate you taking the time to look Hopefully it was a somewhat helpful learning experience and not a waste of time I hope by stamp you mean an apostille attached to your birth certificate You only need to have proof of one marriage announcement in Greek from a local newspaper in Greece but you ll need two originals of that announcement one for City Hall one for your files they don t accept photocopies Answers to your questions 1 A person can only have one valid visa at a time so the answer is no You re Canadian so you have a visa free Schengen for 90 days in any 180 day period If you haven t used all 90 days in the past 180 days you re fine that s enough If you already used all 90 days in the past 180 days then you need to ask the Greek Consulate Embassy what can be done 2 Since you have intent to marry within a short time after arrival in Greece you can absolutely have a one way ticket because you ll apply for your permit to stay here legally as the spouse of a Greek citizen No one is going to ask you to show a return ticket anywhere during the process So go ahead and save some money I just wanted to say thank you so very much for your quick response You really are a very special person Thank you again Leigh wrote November 4th 2009 at 10 14 Hi I am a South African Passport holder and living in Greece with my Husband A Greek Citizen for the past year I hold a 5 year residence permit card I also have a tax medical number If I want to travel to the UK do I need to apply for a visa The laws for South Africans changed a few months ago requiring South Africans to apply for a visa to enter UK but since I am a resident here in Greece I an not sure if this applies to me Could you clarify Thanks Kat Reply November 16th 2009 at 00 53 Hi Leigh I think I know the answer to this question But this is a question for the UK Embassy Consulate because you are seeking to enter the UK not Greece sameh wrote November 10th 2009 at 18 34 hi kat very nice site i hope u help me i did read all this article i am married to greek woman i am from egypt i want to come and live with my wife in greece forever what shall i do what visa should i apply for schengen only with the paper of our marriage another thing can the greek say no and not give me the visa to come and if they do what can i do to live with my wife Kat Reply November 16th 2009 at 00 35 sameh raul This may be difficult for you to understand but hundreds of people seek my help every day I run this website in my unpaid free time and have my own life job challenges to handle so leaving multiple messages under different names same IP address will only cause me annoyance and make me want to ignore you Further answers to most of your questions are already detailed above and in the article How non EU citizens can move live and work in Greece also listed above Therefore you need to read them again Please get used to it If you make it to Greece no one will help you once here As it says you will be applying for a Schengen D visa in your case based on family reunification with a Greek citizen and they will ask for much more than a marriage certificate Please go to the Greek Embassy Greek Consulate nearest you and apply as I say in the article The Greek spouse must provide documents tax statements proof of current family status insurance and yes they can refuse to bring you into the country There is nothing you can do if they say no Follow up You tell me I ignored you and thanks for nothing I could not help you or the other 12 people waiting for a reply for the past 10 days because of important events in my life I did help you and you were pushy called me names and said that I wasn t fast enough Unbelievable Read my policy in Comments Questions and Contacting Me written two years ago It states clearly what I can can t do The linked article indeed mentions Schengen D in the visa section Also it s true what I say that you cannot do anything if your Greek wife refuses to cooperate or cannot meet the requirements in issuing your visa and residence permit Would you prefer that I lie Plenty of other people will give you misinformation if that s what you want Why speculate about Greece saying no when you haven t even applied at the Greek Consulate Embassy And if you re already paying a lawyer for help don t you find it hypocritical that you re asking me to help you for free complaining about it and then giving the information to your lawyer who is supposed to be competent in these matters Seems to me you should be upset with the lawyer not me Thank you for your rude and ungrateful behavior It s people like you who make it difficult to justify staying up until 2 a m in the morning to help strangers I don t know Please refer future questions to your lawyer since that is why you are paying him Your wife is also a Greek citizen and speaks Greek so she should get used to making calls and helping you starting now I did everything myself without being Greek or speaking it you should too Goodbye and good luck Αγγελος wrote November 20th 2009 at 17 51 Γεια σας θελω να σας ρωτησω κατι εγω ειμαι Ελληνας πολιτης και γνωρεισα μια κοπελα απο την Ταιβαν Αποφασησαμε να παντρευτουμε στην Ελλαδα εδω και ενα χρονο προσπαθει η κοπελα μου να παρει βιζα αλλα το προξενειο μας στην Ταιβαν στην Ταιβαν μας εκπροσωπει η Ισπανια γιατι η Ελλδα δεν εχει προξενειο δεν τις δεινει τις λεει οτι πρεπει να εχει πολλα λεφτα στην τραπεζα για να παρει βιζα Τι να κανω Μηπως μπορειτε να με βοηθησετε Ευχαριστω Hello I want to ask something I am a Greek citizen and I know a girl from Taiwan We decided to get married in Greece a year ago my girlfriend tried to get a visa but the consulate in Taiwan in Taiwan Spain represents us because Greece doesn t have a consulate didn t give it to her They told her that we must have a lot of money in the bank to get visa What can I do Could you help me Thanks Kat Reply December 1st 2009 at 00 47 Αγγελος The Greek Consulate Embassy has the right to request proof of economic support before a visa is issued both in cases of travelers and potential residents of Greece See Dubai Billy s story in Non EU travelers need 50 euros a day When a non EU citizen wants to marry and come to live in Greece with a Greek citizen without having significant funds assets of her own Greece will ask that the Greek citizen produce proof of income for both himself and his spouse because the spouse will be unemployed and therefore dependent The minimum annual salary is 8 500 euros 1 275 euros for each dependent unemployed spouse or child so that s 9 775 euros year in your case AND the non EU fiancee spouse must be added to the Greek citizen s insurance to cover them in Greece which also applies to you If the Greek citizen cannot meet these requirements the spouse will not be issued a permit and need to leave Greece Therefore it only makes sense that the screening process begin before issuing a visa Greece asks for these things because immigrants should not be a burden on Greek systems finances Many countries have these requirements not only Greece Marriage to a Greek is not enough nishu wrote December 1st 2009 at 11 32 Hi I really appreciate your good work its really useful i have a one question i came from Greece three months ago and now i want to go again Is it possible to get tourist visa again I ll wait for your reply thanks so much God Bless and Happy Holidays Kat Reply December 1st 2009 at 23 10 You did not provide enough information for me to help you However please see I had a visa for Greece and now I want another Can I get one in the above article This addresses your question Thank you Denisse wrote January 11th 2010 at 19 16 hi i am from ecuador but i live in uk i got my residence card and is valid for 5 years i am married with a greek and we live in uk if we want travel for holidays in greece do i need visa thank you Kat Reply January 11th 2010 at 21 40 Your question is already answered in the article above Under the question What if I have a residence permit Any non EU citizen with a residence permit from an EU EEA EFTA country such as the UK does not need a visa to visit Greece It does not matter who you are married to Please read more carefully next time or your question will be deleted per my policy Vasileios wrote January 22nd 2010 at 14 05 How much does a VISA cost I have a friend of mine in Moldova and i want to invite her for holidays Can someone tell me about the prices of VISA Thnx Kat Reply January 22nd 2010 at 15 36 This question is already answered above 3rd question You cannot invite her she needs to qualify on her own and she needs to contact the Greek Consulate Embassy in Moldova Warning to Everyone Half of commentators have asked redundant questions I will close the ability to leave questions comments if laziness persists sukanya wrote February 16th 2010 at 17 08 I have been there once and i would like to turn back to Greece again i live in Thailand I am going to apply for Greek student visa I am nervous because im going to apply for 1 year My bf is Greek and his mom is willing to be my sponsor i would like to see more places in Greece because of my short time traveling I would like to go to islands my question is Would it be possible to take student visa from thailand and Would it be easier for this time to ask for student visa thx so much im looking forward to hearing from u Kat Reply February 17th 2010 at 20 34 As it says in the post a you need to apply at the Greek Consulate or Greek Embassy nearest you b having a sponsor is pointless and disclosing that you have a Greek boyfriend may work against you c there is no such thing as a one year visa It sounds like you re coming here to be with a boyfriend and travel which has nothing to do with studying In order to get a student visa you need to apply and be accepted to a Greek university mohammed wrote April 28th 2010 at 13 19 please i am a Ghanaian passport holder with a Bulgarian visa i want to enter Greece through the border but i dont now if i have to get a visa again for Greece before i will be allowed to enter Kat Reply April 28th 2010 at 20 15 You can only enter Greece with a Schengen or national visa issued by a Greek Consulate or Greek Embassy Bulgarian visas are only good for Bulgaria Jose wrote June 16th 2010 at 04 08 If i m greek and i marry a girl from Dominican Republic can I just bring her to Greese with out a visa Kat Reply June 16th 2010 at 07 27 It s clear you didn t read the article 1 It says that countries on the list need a visa for any reason Dominican Republic is on the list Therefore she needs a visa for any reason 2 It says that those connected married to a Greek EU citizen still need to enter with a visa if it applies See 1 If you re Greek are you aware that Greece is spelled with a c zewdi wrote June 26th 2010 at 23 01 i wont tourist visa for greece what can i do i am eritrean nationality Thanks For Your help Kat Reply June 27th 2010 at 16 37 As it says in the article you must go to the Greek embassy or consulate nearest you and apply for a tourist visa Jo wrote July 1st 2010 at 18 49 I am British and my husband is Albanian He has been refused a Schengen visa by the Greek embassy in London we are going to the embassy on Monday to talk to them do you know what we can do to overturn this please Thank you for your response Kat Reply July 2nd 2010 at 19 36 As it says in the article under Why do they refuse visas Greek authorities are not required to give reasons why non Greeks are refused visas Therefore it s impossible to know how to overturn the unknown Sure you re welcome haidar wrote October 7th 2010 at 16 07 Hello i live in Mongolia and i require a visa but in my country there is no embassy of Greece can anyone help me i really want to go to Chios Kat Reply October 8th 2010 at 01 59 When there is no Greek consulate or embassy in your city or country you must contact a neighboring city or country to inquire about a visa From my research the Greek Embassy in Beijing handles Mongolia See http www grpressbeijing com dave wrote November 4th 2010 at 10 50 Hi kat i have a friend who s working as a domestic helper there in athens greece i asked her if i can visit greece she said i have to pay 300 euro so the greek lawyer can process my paper called parabulom once the paper come out her employer will sign it and pay a tax of 500 euro then the lawyer will submit and wait for my visa which will take about a month after the visa has been released i have to pay the lawyer s fee of 300 euro so they can send my visa from greece to philippines then i have to go to greece embassy here in the phils my questions are is this how you process tourist visa good for 2 months do i still need a greek lawyer to process my visa does my visa will come from there i have been searching greece embassy here in the phils but i couldnt find one do u have it here if ever this is all true how much money do i need to bring thank you in advance and i hope you can answer all my questions reagards dave Kat Reply November 7th 2010 at 01 37 Hi Dave Without speaking to your friend I can only guess what she s doing based on what you told me My guess is that she s trying to get you a visa based on work not on tourism Why do I think that A few reasons a parabolo parabulom whenever a parabolo is involved it usually signifies an official bureaucratic process in Greece b her employer for a work visa an employer in Greece is involved c sending a visa from Greece to the Philippines by a Greek lawyer this is not necessary for a tourist visa You need to make contact with the Greek embassy and apply for a tourist visa through them See Greek Embassy in Manila Philippines for the address phone number and email address helen wrote December 23rd 2010 at 12 33 hi there good day im not u s citizen yet but i am u s resident for 10 yrs or green card holder i will be in israel for 12 days on jan 2011 and i want to visit greece for 3 days do i need to get visa for greece thank u helen Kat Reply December 28th 2010 at 18 52 You did not provide enough information for me to help you and the answer is already in the article above In the first question of the article it says you need a visa if you are a CITIZEN not resident not green card holder of one of the countries listed What citizenship passport do you have If your country is on the list above you need a visa for Greece and must go to the nearest Greek embassy consulate to apply for one If your country is not on the list then you do not need a visa as explained in Countries that enjoy visa free travel to Greece TC wrote February 15th 2011 at 13 31 I am not asking for something but i would like to complain about Greek Visa Policy I know that you are not the authority for this As a Turkish citizen i need to take a visa to enter Greece I think this kind of restriction between neighbouring countries should be changed We should not take any visa Greeks are losing a high amount of tourism income just for this visa policy Honestly i can take a visa if i apply but this is obviously humiliating process for applicants They are even requesting my bank account balance or credit card movements Instead of going to Greece most of the people prefer going to South America The only thing that they are doing is paying a little bit more for flight tickets Instead of humiliation and paying the fees for visa application they are giving the difference to buy the ticket to faraway destinations Kat Reply February 17th 2011 at 02 33 Comments is approximately 85 percent questions and 15 percent discussion and contributions by readers who are nice enough to give back to the website It s not necessary to ask something in fact it s a nice change for me that you don t I can understand your frustration especially since as you said Turkey shares a border with Greece and Turkey allows Greek citizens to visit visa free Ironically I listened to Greek citizens criticize me and my country for 11 years before they were allowed in the U S visa waiver program but in that case it was due to Greece s inability to meet rules and requirements demanded of all countries In Turkey s case I do believe some of it is political But on the same day you left your comment a Ta Nea article said that steps were being taken to make it easier for Turkish citizens to acquire visas to Greece more quickly and with less bureaucracy at dedicated centers opening soon Visa free status was not discussed South America is a nice destination with better service and cheaper food and accommodation Maybe it s not a bad thing Thank you for stopping by and taking the time to comment I must go as it s late Holly wrote March 2nd 2011 at 13 36 Hi I ve read that Albanian Nationals with a biometric passport can travel to Greece without a Visa but my husband is an Albanian National on a spouse visa here in the U K Can he travel to visit his parents from England to Greece Thank you for your time Kat Reply March 3rd 2011 at 01 52 You did not provide enough information for me to give a customized answer but all answers are already detailed above It doesn t matter what UK visas he has UK visas only pertain to the UK Being married to you does not grant him exemptions as I say in If you are married to an EU citizen What matters is what kind of passport he has as I say in the second sentence of the article If he has an Albanian biometric passport he may travel to Greece without a visa Meaning he does not need to go to the Greek embassy consulate and apply for one If he does not have an Albanian biometric passport he must go to the Greek consulate embassy and apply for a visa to visit Greece and his parents If he has a full residence work permit issued by the UK he may travel to Greece with any Albanian passport in his possession without a visa as I explain in If you have a residence work permit Sharat wrote May 12th 2011 at 06 00 First and foremost I appreciate the advice provided in this website Very informative Now here come my problem We are Indian citizens residing in US We plan to visit Greece and then Turkey in June We have applied for Schengen visa Not sure what kind of entry single or multiple we will be getting I understand that holders of valid Schengen US and UK visa can get Turkish visa on arrival My question is Assuming we are getting single entry schengen visa After departing Greece can we obtain turkish tourist visa at Istanbul airport or need to obtain the visa via the Turkish embassy in US in advance Has anyone with a single entry schengen visa obtained Turkish visa on arrival after departing from an schengen territory FYI We don t have a US visa since we have filed for US permanent residency Also I heard that most schengen visa are given as multiple entry Is is true Thanks in advance Kat Reply May 12th 2011 at 18 27 I can t answer your question about Turkish visas because I don t live work in Turkey you could do a Google search or call the Turkish consulate embassy nearest your residence to receive official advice In reference to the second question In general a Schengen visa entitles you to unlimited travel to all countries in the Schengen zone for the time specified in any order you like as long as it s valid unless restrictions are listed i e number of entries countries you cannot visit etc If you don t know what kind of visa you ll be getting of course there s no way for me to know either Follow up What was the point of asking me to answer these questions if you didn t follow the advice then posting the same questions in a forum only to get the same answers If you re not going to help yourself let me use the time to help someone else subash wrote August 19th 2011 at 17 41 I am Nepali citizen and live in india how to get greece tourist visa for 7 days and what types of requirement i already visited singapore malyasia and thiland Kat Reply August 19th 2011 at 19 01 See How and where do I get a visa for Greece under Questions and Answers Good luck May wrote September 9th 2011 at 16 48 I have a friend in Greece who invited me to visit his country for two weeks He is willing to sponsor for my round trip tickets and all he is not my fiancee since he is married i was just invited for a leisure trip is there a chance that i qualify an entry thank you Kat Reply September 9th 2011 at 18 00 You didn t provide enough information for me to assist you and it s fairly obvious you didn t read the information above Having a sponsor will not necessarily help you get a visa as I say in the section I have a sponsor in Greece does that help You need to qualify for a visa to Greece on your own by submitting an application supporting documents and financial proof at the Greek embassy consulate nearest you Contact them now Saman wrote November 9th 2011 at 07 13 Hello I came across your website while searching for Greece visas and I have gone through a lot of the content on this page Thanks for doing a fabulous job n helping people like us who want to visit Greece I dont know if I am asking the right person but perhaps you would know this I am a Pakistani national living and working in Abu dhabi UAE I would want to visit Greece for a short break for a week I just have 2 weeks left before my planned trip I would like to know if it is wise to apply for a Greece visa and go ahead with the plan Since the Greece embassy says it will take 2 3 weeks to process visas and since my husband n I belong to Pakistan I am not sure if visa will be granted in this stipulated time or not As you might know for us Pakistanis getting visas is a big issue Can you advice us on this matter We can furnish them with each and every requirement for tourist visa but dont have any idea if that would ruin other vacation plans for us we plan to visit Turkey in case this doesnt work Thanks and Regards Kat Reply November 9th 2011 at 07 48 There s no way I or anyone can answer this question because the only way to know is if you apply for a visa and find out As I say above in the section How long does it take to get a visa for Greece it depends on many factors and these factors differ according to each visa applicant you and your husband and the location where you submit the application In general applying for a visa two weeks in advance is not enough time However it may go faster than you think and if you are set on visiting Greece I urge you to make the application as soon as possible at the Greek embassy consulate nearest you in UAE Nick wrote November 12th 2011 at 02 20 I am a British citizen of Greek origin and me and my wife Nepali live in the UK She is staying in the UK on a UK spouse visa and NOT on a resident permit exercising her rights as a EU family member Does she require a schengen visa to enter Greece Will it be easier for us to get a tourist visa or a EU family member one Will the fact that I am of Greek origin and have a Greek surname make any difference Kat Reply November 12th 2011 at 17 52 You didn t provide enough information for me to help you so all I can give you is general information all of it already stated above in the article In general all citizens from Nepal require a visa to enter Greece for any reason as I say under Do I need a visa for Greece The fact she is the wife of an EU citizen certainly helps but it will be based on why she is coming to Greece and if she qualifies as I say under What if I m married to an EU or Greek citizen

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    issued For related stories see Travel or Visas for Greece Sources All sources linked above Special thanks to Stathis for retrieving the necessary documents which I then translated from Greek to English Hat tip to DubaiBilly for sharing his story attached to comments Photo source www Bilderkiste de Permalink 6 Comments The Scorpion wrote March 13th 2008 at 16 10 Absolutely foolish Why would I or anyone want to carry large amounts of cash around HELLO we re in the 21st century Unless of course they truly do allow you to show a credit card but then again do they verify your limit Crap 3ni wrote March 13th 2008 at 22 07 Interesting Are more professions susceptible to the sort of questioning and requests you received in UK Germany India Egypt etc Abravanel wrote March 14th 2008 at 20 43 I think that besides preventing damned xenoi from entering Greece if they can t spend at least 50 euro per diem they should also expel all greeks who can t spend the same Kat wrote March 14th 2008 at 21 27 The S It used to be that great amounts of cash weren t necessary because traveler s checks were more common and widely accepted As that s no longer true an ATM or credit card usually suffices They don t check your credit limit 3ni I don t know which professions are more susceptible that s a question for border passport control I didn t ask because it was my vacation and arguing or appearing difficult wasn t going to make life easier for me I believe I was targeted because of my citizenship combined with the stamps in my passport and my job A If I didn t have a permit to live here they d have to turn me away since I wouldn t be able to meet that monetary quota How can I My Greek salary doesn t pay me that amount per day Abravanel wrote March 14th 2008 at 21 53 You are lying in order to discredit us Greece has no problem with overstays as long as they re blond good looking and prone to alcoholic intoxication Exception is being made for well natured cats dubaibilly wrote March 16th 2008 at 16 35 My step son had a problem with this last year He and his girlfriend were coming out to spend three weeks on Skopelos with us we had done the invitation stuff along with the attested photocopy of the document which says we own the house we had the affidavit from the solicitor that they were coming to stay with us jumped through all the hoops so that they could come He took all the stuff to the Greek Consulate in durban South Africa and they demanded to see the 50 euros per day before they would even issue him with a visa Gold Card HA Not interested No he had to draw the South African Rand from his bank account convert

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