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  • IKA offices in Greece
    called Greek Ombudsman Filing a complaint about Greece in Greece There is an address toll free phone number and website address provided for your convenience Best of everything to you and your father Sofia wrote August 19th 2009 at 19 46 Hello I have lived in Crete since 8 years With my greek boyfriend we decided to have a baby But i don t trust the public hospitals here So i would prefer to go in a private clinic And i was wondering if IKA covers a part of the expenses or not Kat Reply August 19th 2009 at 23 53 I m a little surprised your Greek boyfriend or his parents don t know the answer to this question and or couldn t call to inquire In any case I d like to amend my answer after consultation with a trusted source Assuming you are covered by IKA it will pay for exams procedures at private hospitals only if IKA specifically sent you to a private hospital because the IKA system could not provide the service you needed And even then IKA may pay a very limited amount for a limited number of situations after contacting the hospital doctor to verify they have an agreement with IKA what it is and what bureaucracy is involved None of this applies to your case because there are public hospitals on Crete that handle childbirth If you voluntarily choose a private doctor hospital or clinic in Greece nothing is covered by IKA and you pay all the expenses trevor wrote November 18th 2010 at 08 09 Hello I am working for a british company called here in Athens We have not been payed this month and now looks like we will not get payed How do i find out if my employer has payed my IKA Many of the staff say he has not payed their s Also can you tell me what are our rights as employees as we have not been payed should we continue to go to work the other thing is if we have been employed on a work scam from oaed what should we be payed I was told my salary would be 750 however I only get 600 why is this kind regards T Kat Reply November 19th 2010 at 01 17 Hi Trevor Sorry to hear you re having problems with your employer which I didn t name for reasons of privacy and protection The good news is I can offer you a solution But first things first How do you know if the employer paid your IKA You and any of your co workers need to go to an IKA office and ask Sometimes they ask that you go to the IKA location where you registered sometimes you can visit any IKA office i e one near work See IKA offices in Greece if you need help in English Take your IKA AMA number they may ask to see the original paper when you first registered called the Bebaiosi Apografis Amesa Asfalismenou and AMKA number your passport or national ID card Ask for a printout called Logarismos Asfalismenou The Logarismos Asfalismenou shows all IKA payments that have been made up until the date you inquire If he did not pay your IKA they will refer you to someone who can help you file a claim For this you need to have your work contact Anaggelia Gnostopoiisis Oron Atomikis Symbasis Ergasias as proof you are working there your start date and the rate of pay If you are not comfortable conducting business in Greek I recommend you take someone who is I cannot advise on whether it s wise to keep working If you continue working there I understand that you may not get paid However if you stop showing up for work you may be labeled irresponsible giving the employer reason to terminate you without compensation and to file a counterclaim against you when you try to recover IKA payments and back pay There s no way for me to know why 750 became 600 without questioning your employer or looking at the contract you signed Your rate of pay should be stated on your work contract and any questions about net or gross should have been clarified before you signed it As explained in Examples of jobs and salaries in Athens Greece an employer will sometimes quote gross and not net as a way to fool prospective employees into thinking they will be paid more You could have also questioned him the first time you were paid and requested an explanation then decided whether to continue working there or have your employer draw up a new contract and refile it with IKA You and your co workers can all file a claim against your employer to force his hand in paying what he owes The first thing they ask you before filing a claim is if you have directly confronted your boss so you need to do this I realize it s uncomfortable but you need to do it in a calm factual manner with courage and without losing your temper If this doesn t work come back to me and I ll create a new article detailing the procedure you and your co workers need to follow to file a labor claim I ve been meaning to do it anyway All best K Novica wrote December 14th 2010 at 15 50 I would like to know how much ensima i have to have that i have a right to aIplay for pension sintaksi I have 1800 ensima and my wife too we are Serbian and we have work permit since 01 01 1998 I am 62 years old and my wife 64 year old What we could do with this ensima we have and do we have any chance to ask for pension i am very thankfull if you provide that kind information thanks you once again Novica Kat Reply December 17th 2010 at 00 25 Unfortunately giving your age and the number of ensima you have are not enough for me to help you There have been lots of changes to laws regarding Greek pensions I do not know Serbian pension laws and you did not provide information on work years outside Greece Therefore you must get in contact with the office in Serbia that handles pensions and find out how Greece and Serbia cooperate on calculating payments which may also require you to visit an IKA office nearest your residence addresses provided above Thank you for your question and visiting livingingreece gr Faisal wrote October 18th 2011 at 15 42 well one of my relatives were working in greece and he died over there his legal heirs living in pakistan have found some documents regarding his pension and insurance and they want to claim for his insurance and pension please assist us in this regard or you can give any phone number who can understand english and guide us in this situation Kat Reply October 18th 2011 at 16 14 You must determine if you are eligible to receive a dead relative s pension It is not automatic As I say in the article all business in Greece is conducted in Greek but you are free to find someone who speaks English I am not a lawyer and I do not represent the Greek government I am a journalist providing this information in my unpaid free time You can hire a translator and legal representative to assist you then make contact with an IKA office above using the list of phone numbers and addresses I provide Good luck spyros wrote December 4th 2011 at 21 18 I have been trying to phone the IKA office which deals with pensions pensions paid abroad located in 43 Agisilaou Central Athens contact name Olga K phone no 30210 5279836 as i have not received my pension payment for November yet The number either rings engaged or does not ring at all I have submitted certification that I am alive as required in March and October of this year so really need to make contact urgently with this person to ascertain why I have not been paid I wonder if you can check if the phone no is still valid and or if there is a new number Kat Reply December 5th 2011 at 23 25 The IKA office is at 48 Agisilaou and the number you re calling belongs to a department handling pension payments pertaining to disability and death but may have been changed or temporarily disconnected because of reorganization Try their Main number 30 210 52 79 962 Fax 210 52 79 978 Email ika ath otenet gr It s worth mentioning that IKA is bankrupt and seeking a loan of 3 billion euros Consider giving back to the website or sponsoring a turtle in exchange for the 20 minutes of research and four phone calls I made All best Atreyi wrote December 8th 2011 at 03 02 Comment 1 Please help My uncle 89 years old was living in Athens and still have the home in Athens but he is now in Romania into a Senior Home His penssion was blocked after 21 Sep 2011 and he cant travel to Greece to go to the Bank to give his signture We receive the Bank statement and it was required to present to the Bank in Oct 2011 There is a possibility to send a legal document to prove he is still alive but in incapacity to travel to Ika And if possible please direst me where we should send the document thanks a lot Comment 2 Thnaks was very helpfull I called and they would need a Life Certificate Season Greetings Kat Reply December 8th 2011 at 07 53 Because of fraud and abuse by relatives claiming pensions of the deceased Greece now requires some type of live evidence from your uncle not just a document or signed statement He you can use the information I provide above to call IKA on the phone and inquire on alternatives Susan wrote March 20th 2012 at 09 17 Hi I m a swedish citizen and lives in Sweden My father who is a greek citizen and lives in Rhodos Greece is in a very troubled situation My father and his wife came here to Sweden to visit me and my family He felt sick though and went to the hospital It turned out that he has cancer multiple myeloma to be exact He is now getting treatment here chemotherapy He now wonders if Greece got the samt treatment with chemotherapy And if they do is it possible to get treatment in Rhodos where he lives He also wonders if the social security will help to pay for his treatment here in Sweden There are so many questions he needs answers to He is afraid to go back home in case they don t give him treatment But he can t stay here forever He could though come here occasionaly to get the treatment but then he needs to know if the social security in Greece helps to pay for his treatment here Kat Reply March 20th 2012 at 10 42 Greece in general is behind Sweden in cancer treatment therapies though I m sure there is something available There s no way I can know what they offer in Rhodes as I have not lived or worked there since 1998 He should call hospitals there and inquire Many people are airlifted to Athens when island hospitals are insufficient Cross border coverage depends on many things the insurance company an agreement between Greece and Sweden etc As I understand your father should be carrying an EHIC card and the Greek insurance company must be contacted BEFORE admittance to a hospital in Sweden to see which hospitals doctors expenses and treatments are covered There are a lot of insurance companies and you didn t mention which one it is so you your father or his wife needs to find out and call them Toula wrote March 20th 2012 at 10 43 hello i am a british passport holder working in Greece for the past 5 years if i wish to leave and return to the UK can i claim my ensima from ika thank you Kat Reply March 20th 2012 at 11 23 You can go to IKA or contact them and ask for a printout of your ensima which they can print on demand and certify Also call the UK and see if they require anything else to recognize them or a translation which you can get at Official translations to Greek Bulent wrote February 13th 2013 at 10 37 Hello I am a Turkish Citizen who worked in Electric Company DEI in Greece in 1985 for two months To submit to the Social Security Office in Turkey I need a document showing that I have worked in Greece in 1985 Would it be possible to get this document and if yes what is the method of acquiring this document Regards Kat Reply February 13th 2013 at 15 15 You didn t provide enough info but I answered this question already Look at the question answer above you If IKA wasn t your social insurance carrier you need to contact whoever was Tiffany wrote April 5th 2013 at 22 01 My mother has been trying to collect my dad s pension since his death of 2007 We were able to get all the info they needed to prove she was his widow which took at least 6 months to get it straightened out Things were going well for the most part until they stopped for a few months and deducted and x amount of money this year due to the kaos that s been happening over there Now we found out that she still needs to prove that she is alive after filing all the right paperwork and getting it notarized and sealed by the Greek church and state of Mass back in Nov 2012 Do you have any idea what the new paperwork is or where or whom I can speak to about this situation This situation has become very stressful for my 76yr old mother along with many others I m sure Regards Kat Reply April 8th 2013 at 01 13 You didn t provide enough information for me to give an answer specific to your mother s situation so all I can do is offer my best guess Greece s social insurance funds began requiring all pensioners participate in a regular census to continue collecting payments due to thousands of families committing fraud and illegally collecting a dead relative s pension The census is not new it s been mandatory since 2011 The people I know collecting a pension all live in Greece so their experience isn t relevant to your mother s However if you look at commentator Atreyi from December 8 2011 I advised him to make direct contact with the insurance fund IKA OAEE etc and they told him what was needed That s my advice to you as well Payments will resume and retroactive compensation released P S Here in Greece we don t call it chaos This is typical everyday life gedine wrote April 10th 2013 at 13 26 hello i lost my job here in greece for about six months and i have not payed paid for 5 months to my IKa insurance taxes my question is can i pay my taxes personally when i got my new job to continue my insurance Kat Reply April 14th 2013 at 09 15 IKA is social insurance not taxes so I have no idea what you re asking or how to help you as you gave too little information for anyone to help you Please visit an IKA office listed above to get advice Cynthia wrote April 14th 2013 at 19 27 Your questions were moved to Residence work permits for non EU citizens in Greece Apostolidis wrote June 11th 2013 at 06 50 Hi we live abroad in Canada and are filling out the electronic form to update my IKA information It is asking for a AMKA number I don t have an AMKA number and never did I just have an AMA number Can I update my info without the AMKA number Is this a required field on the form What do I do if I don t have an AMKA number I am 70 and haven t worked in Greece since the 60s Thank you Kat Reply June 12th 2013 at 22 43 Anyone collecting a Greek pension and or dependents are also required to have AMKAs as of January 1 2010 not just employees and workers See AMKA Greek social security number carochan wrote June 13th 2013 at 20 12 I have a small business and am thinking of hiring a staff my accountant said he is doing the paperwork for him to register for IKA if there is a check do i get a fine the first time they check or does IKA allow time for the paperwork Kat Reply June 15th 2013 at 08 44 I completed my IKA paperwork in a few hours without anyone s help so I m not sure why there would be lag time the possibility of checks and fines or leniency shown by police or IKA Apostolidis wrote June 27th 2013 at 18 22 Hi I completed form to update my IKA information and when I check the status is says my data could not be validated as input Well that is great thanks for telling me that but what do I need to correct What discrepancy is there so I can make sure I correct it when I complete the form There is no mention of why it cant be validated or any means of communicating with IKA How can I communicate with an individual at IKA to ensure they have all the information they require so I can get my pension reinstated I had input all the required numbers correctly including the AMKA which I recently acquired The online update application number is deleted to protect privacy Also my wifes application was not successfully updated according to IKA deleted to protect privacy If I can not get a resolution within IKA I will be contacting the Greek Obudsman again to resolve this as they have in the past It is a shame that you are putting pensioners through this as I had recently mailed in all my updated info and then IKA requests another online form to be completed without a reason There are people in Canada receiving a Greek Pension without an AMKA and without having to go through this process why are you putting us through this painful process What to delay our Pensions Additionally when we call the IKA offices from Canada no one is Greece ever picks up the phone So please provide me with an individual email address so I can communicate with someone not just the general email because I have emailed the general email and guess what NO one emailed me back Kat Reply June 28th 2013 at 07 51 You I m a non EU citizen helping people to solve problems in my unpaid spare time I don t represent Greece and I m not a lawyer or state worker I m not putting anyone through anything and I m not obliged to tolerate ingratitude or listen to complaints That s the job of state workers which my taxes pay for My IKA contributions also fund your pension They suspended pension payments as a way to get everyone to comply with requirements since asking people nicely to update their AMKAs and AFMs got little to no response It worked What you re encountering is what I and everyone experience every day for everything 24 7 except on a much smaller scale I also get a dose of racism and discrimination being a woman and non Greek IKA offices place priority of helping people in person and stop serving the public at 14 00 local time 5 00 a m your time or earlier If you call anytime after that of course no one will pick up Email is also an advanced concept in Greece with the majority of state workers unable to use a computer Helen wrote June 27th 2013 at 19 24 Did you get through to someone in Greece at IKA We have been trying to call for months and no response They cut off pension for 4 months now We got the AMKA faxed and mailed in but cannot get through to anyone for confirmation Any help would be appreciated Thanks Kat Reply June 28th 2013 at 08 06 IKA offices place priority on helping people in person They also stop serving the public at around 14 00 local time which is 5 00 EST so of course no one will pick up the phone if you call anytime after that John wrote July 1st 2013 at 18 05 IKA is requesting AMKAs now in an attempt to deter pensioners from obtaining their pensions And if you do get your AMKA they just ignore you Kat Reply July 2nd 2013 at 08 23 What you re saying isn t true This is a measure to prevent fraud since thousands of Greek families were collecting dead relatives pensions and having an AMKA has been a mandatory requirement since January 1 2010 See AMKA Greek social security number The difference is they re enforcing it now They suspended pension payments to force everyone to comply since asking people nicely to update their AMKAs and AFMs by April 2013 extended to June got little to no response Being ignored is a 24 7 norm at the majority of public sector offices for pretty much everything Nothing new Hans wrote July 11th 2013 at 15 31 Comment 1 Hi Hope you can help as Greek instances are very vague My Greek wife born Alexandria Egypt worked in Athens from 1957 until 1972 then married in the Netherlands and from 2006 she received a small IKA pension In April 2013 this suddenly stopped From searching the internet we learned that she needs AMKA and AFM We don t have the money to go to Greece to get these numbers and have no family and close friends in Greece How do we find a reasonably priced and trustful lawyer We normally spend our holidays in Chania Crete do we have to find a lawyer in Athens or can we look for one in Chania If I can sell some art work perhaps we could go to Greece for a week or so Can my wife get AMKA and AFM in Chania and go with these two numbers to an IKA branch in Chania to re start her pension What papers must she bring from the Netherlands We are desperate and hope that you have the answers Thank you so much Hans and Florentia Comment 2 Hi My Greek wife born Alexandria Egypt worked in Athens from 1957 until 1972 when we got married in the Netherlands From 2006 she received a small pension that suddenly stopped in April this year From searching the internet we learned that she needs AMKA and AFM to continue her pension Must we go to Athens to get these numbers or can we get them in Chania where we normally go for holidays How can we find an affordable lawyer from here Netherlands to represent her as authorized person Thank you in advance Hans and Florentia Comment 3 Sorry for posting twice I checked to see if I had a reply and didn t find my message so I concluded that I had done something wrong the first time Me syngoreite Comment 4 Thank you very much you have been a great help IKA does have our correct address but did t send a letter to inform us We have tried hundreds of Greek telephone numbers that we collected from the internet from IKA AMKA and tax sides but the majority of these numbers don t work The few numbers that do work were giving little or obscure answers No English sorry or just come to IKA Agisilao 48 Athens and we solve this problem I have sent dozens of e mails and several faxes but NOBODY replied The AMKA information that you gave is very helpful However can you tell me what papers we need to get the AFM Are the papers and procedures for AMKA and AFM the same only different offices With this AFM there is a big problem the person that will be authorized by my wife must declare that he she is also a surety guarantor who vouches for her meaning that he she will have to pay her fines her tax arrears and fiscal fraud We don t have fines to pay and we don t intend to commit fraud but guarantor Thank you very much Kat Reply July 22nd 2013 at 00 34 Answer 1 I received both of your near identical comments questions left in the past 4 days Please be aware as disclosed in widget Have a question under name days and weather I work 9 9 every day including weekends and run this website in my unpaid spare time If you cannot wait for an answer feel free to inquire directly with Greek authorities Answer 2 3 No problem I moved your question comment since this post is more relevant It s after midnight and I m tired but I won t let another day go by so you can start resolving your wife s issue IKA sent letters to all pensioners with missing AFMs and AMKAs requesting they provide the information by April extended to June or else payments would stop Therefore you should have been informed If you didn t get these letters perhaps your address on file with IKA is incorrect or outdated AMKAs have been mandatory since January 1 2010 You can read AMKA Greek social security number to learn how to get one and what papers are necessary AFMs have been necessary for pretty much everything for decades A tax office eforia can help her with this I m not sure why you re inquiring about a lawyer in Athens while the rest of your comment refers to Chania There are lawyers in Chania as well I ve never used a lawyer for anything except suing someone I ve done all bureaucracy myself so I can only assume you ask around for a recommendation interview a few by phone and choose one Common sense Before finding a lawyer I recommend calling the tax office and IKA office directly to inquire what could be done via mail fax or another method Other people above who had missing AFMs and AMKAs were able to resolve their issues and restart pensions without coming to Greece however the exact conditions or circumstances are unknown because no details were given and therefore no one can learn from their experience Answer 4 As I already said to previous commentators and in the post above priority is given to people who appear in person and email is an advanced concept to most state employees which is why they go unanswered An AFM is a tax number which is not the same as an AMKA social security number in Greece Therefore the processes and bureaucracy are different My article How to get an AFM Greek tax number is password protected and removed from public view because it d been plagiarized by several so called expert expat websites You must show proof of residence near the tax office in which you intend to register and conduct transactions Most people bring their landlord or a Greek friend Never heard people use the word guarantor before sandy wrote August 14th 2013 at 05 15 Hi I m from Philippines and I have greek husband who died accidentally last month We have one daughter who just turned 1 yr old only 3 days before the incident He has first wife who is also greek and they had one daughter who is now 19 years old Their divorce has been filed and waiting only 2 years more to finalized the divorce Now that he died during the divorce process does my daughter has rights to claim from her father s insurance if ever that my daughter has not yet been put as beneficiary of his father Everybody in greece knows that we are now his current family Thanks sandy Kat Reply August 25th 2013 at 21 07 Hello I m still working 9 9 every day but I wanted to respond before more time passes I ve never encountered a case like yours before so I have no first hand experience in what happens when someone dies while a divorce is in progress This is what I know What matters is a if the ex wife and her daughter make it difficult for you and your daughter b what you can prove on paper not what people say especially when you re non Greek and non white foreigner Did he ever register your daughter in his oikogeneiaki merida mayor s office where his family papers are kept Do you have a birth certificate saying that he is the father to your daughter Did he ever go to the insurance company and add your daughter to his health booklet and get her one I refer to your daughter because this is his blood and this is an important factor You and your husband were never legally married so in the eyes of Greek law you have no real rights Try doing as much as you can yourself or with a Greek friend Be careful about employing a lawyer Many take advantage of foreigners and charge higher fees without actual knowledge or results especially those in a tough situation Gogo wrote August 16th 2013 at 18 29 Hi I m Greek and live in Germany Because an accident I m now a Disabled pensioner with 75 I take a pension amount from Germany but a small amount from Greece as well From IKA ETAM because I was working in Greece before about for 15 years long My problem now Today I called my bank in Greece to ask about the total amount of my account than I fount out that IKA has not put any money on my account since May 2013 I tried about 4 hours long to call IKA but without access In the meantime I was looking on the Internet to find out any actual tel nr of IKA and I found one I called and a unkindly young man told me I don t take any payments more because you me don t have any AMKA number I didn t and don t know what the f an AMKA number is he couldn t explain to me what an AMKA Nr is neither I used the Internet to find out what an AMKA Nr is So far is Ok but now How can I have a f AMKA Nr if I live in Germany I have to be there in Greece to make a registration for an AMKA Nr but no one from Greece and I mean Eforia IKA or any Municipality told me on telephone before or they sent me a letter that everybody in Greece must have this number now and this exists since 2009 What can I do now Can u please help me I m on roll chair Could I take such a number from a Greek consulate in Germany Thank u and regards from Cologne Kat Reply August 17th 2013 at 08 35 I ve answered these questions previously Please look at responses to Hans John Helen Apostolidis Jim and Tiffany Beyond the advice dispensed and article above I cannot help as I m not a lawyer or an employee of the Greek state though my taxes pay for the latter to assist you This website is provided as a free service in my unpaid spare time ioannis wrote December 2nd 2013 at 09 28 AM F AFM SINATAKSI GIRATOS GENITIKA PERIMENO TIN SINTAKSI GIRATOS Kat Reply December 2nd 2013 at 10 28 Eimai Amerikanida oxi IKA Do not give sensitive and private information to anyone over the Internet Anna wrote December 18th 2013 at 19 02 Your comment question was transferred to Unemployment benefits in Greece Haralambos wrote January 23rd 2014 at 22 15 Where can I get a print out or a record of some sort of all the jobs or factors that entitle my father who lives here in the USA New York to a Pension Currently he is receiving a Pension for Construction related work that he did while he lived in Greece prior to immigrating to the USA We were told that he is also entitled to Army related Pension as well as Pension for other jobs he did but he has no records for all that I am sure that these records are recorded and maintained under his ID numbers AFM AMKA etc How do we approach this subject matter and to whom do we present it to My father is entitled to all of that plus Interest and he needs this income right now Thank you for all of the helpful information that you post on this web site Please provide email contact for all responses Thank you very much in advance Kat Reply January 24th 2014 at 02 56 You need to call the IKA or Army Pension Fund offices directly I am a private American citizen running this website in my unpaid free time I do not provide free consultation via email I don t work for the Greek government and my taxes pay for them to assist you Evanthia wrote January 24th 2014 at 18 54 I am writing on behalf of my neighbour who does not have a computer nor internet access Evanthia has been receiving her pension regularly but not anymore Her file number is 0373574 2 65 and she is not able to find where to look into this problem If you could help to direct her enquiry to the proper authority I would pass the information to her She lives in Mississauga Ontario Canada Any advice and directions would be greatly appreciated Thank you Kat Reply January 24th 2014 at 01 22 Please see answers I gave above to readers and commentators with a similar problem why it happened and what I recommend I cannot forward her inquiry as the pension fund will require her to verify confidential information not just a file number I am a private U S citizen running this website in my unpaid free time and my taxes pay for Greek authorities to help her All best Ioannis wrote February 1st 2014 at 15 07 Hello I would first like to thank you for this informative site and for your time My wife and I are Greek Canadians living in Canada and in receipt of IKA pension for many years It has been over a year since we have received any payment from IKA We have sent all necessary documents required and as recently as 2 days ago managed to speak to an employee who was willing to help but provided me with an invalid email The email I was given was ika001 synt com I have been trying unsuccessfully to reach someone My question to you is how do I find a valid email or should I continue to call in the hopes that someone will answer Any information would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance Kat Reply February 2nd 2014 at 17 06 That can t possibly be a valid email

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  • How to get an apostille
    article Do I need the apostille for EVERY document I will be sending all of my grandfathers info Greek born and my fathers and mine and my kids So an Apostille for every birth certificate and marriage cert and baptism form Thanks Melissa Kat Reply August 25th 2009 at 20 50 The article is clear but I ll still answer your question Every document that was issued outside of Greece and will be used internationally needs to have an apostille Since your grandfather was born in Greece any docs pertaining to him that were issued in Greece are fine as is If you your father and your children weren t born in Greece and don t have documents issued in Greece but you intend to use them to register and claim citizenship in Greece you need to apostille them all There was once an underlined link for the USA but all federal websites are archived and started from scratch when there s a partisan change such that occurred in the last election The page I had linked is gone and hasn t bee replaced to date new list added 2011 State local government websites stay relatively the same so you need to look up the county district website that applies to where your U S docs were issued For example if you were born in Brooklyn you d need to seek out the relevant office in Queens county to issue an apostille If your children were born in Oakland California you d need to get an apostille from the Alameda county office Brian wrote May 10th 2010 at 06 30 I m writing to ask if a couple from the UK wants be get married in California is an apostille required for their marriage to be legal in the UK Kat Reply May 12th 2010 at 01 10 According to the official UK government website you cannot register an overseas marriage See Overseas marriages and civil partnerships and Depositing marriage and civil partnership documents from overseas I found these by doing a simple Google search As my article explains an apostille is required to certify the authenticity of a foreign document for international use Therefore it may be required in other bureaucratic processes but the instance in which you inquired isn t one of them Jim wrote May 13th 2010 at 03 39 As an electronics engineer who designed computer chips seeing how these incompetent bureaucrats think and operate with their old stupid anachronisms creating make believe work out of nothing instead of modernizing and moving forward they are moving backwards They look like animals with 4 back feet trying to get somewhere but never getting anywhere We have the technology to fake every stupid document and they would never find out because they are not crosschecking to see if these documents are real or fake US corporations get documents from colleges directly to avoid fraud In an world where information should be moving at the speed of light countries that are still dealing with paper are cutting every green oxygen producing tree and destroying the environment We can move trillions of dollars by wire but not official documents If anyone wants to go to Greece and deal with its bureaucracy I will pay his one way ticket provided he will not return Kat Reply May 20th 2010 at 17 43 Hi Jim I apologize for my late response You make a very good point Greece is known as a destination where people can obtain fake documents and there is a lot of unnecessary paper shuffling and loss of files As you said what a waste of time money and trees Bureaucracy could be simplified by embracing technology but people need to have skills to operate maintain and repair it I don t know how this country can go forward when the majority of people cannot operate a computer ADSL penetration in Greece is frighteningly low and we don t even have competent staff for hospitals Other countries solved this problem by repatriating their diaspora and embracing immigrants but I don t see it happening here Xenophobia is still on the rise and a recent study by the University of Macedonia in Greece found that 84 1 percent of Greeks abroad prefer to stay there Thanks so much for your comment Eleni wrote January 22nd 2011 at 01 07 Question about Apostille Hello I understand that the document s I am taking to Greece birth certificates marriage certificates death certificate need to be translated which I have done and have also received my stamps of approval from the Greek Consulate here in LA I have also obtained an Apostille for each document my question is does the Apostille ITSELF need to be translated as well Or is it ok in English Thanks in advance for any clarification you could provide Also one more question I will also be taking my baptismal certificate with me which I can have translated and also stamped from the Greek Consulate however I cannot obtain an Apostille for it as the Sec of State does not notarize priests any advice on this matter as well Kat Reply January 25th 2011 at 02 03 Regarding the first question about the apostille letter needing to be translated to Greek it does I don t expect you to know this but I say so in Official Translations to Greek where I mention that a separate form is needed when requesting translation This is sourced from my first hand experience Based on your second question and a similar one left on a different post on the same day I concluded that the wording needed to be refined and so I updated the article Baptismal and marriage certificates issued by Greek churches outside Greece need not be apostilled Having it translated and stamped at the Greek consulate embassy is sufficient as it will be recognized when you come to Greece Please see the new section Marriage and Baptismal Certificates at Greek citizenship via ancestry Thank for giving me the opportunity to update my article to answer future questions similar to yours zanele wrote January 29th 2011 at 14 46 Hi im from KZN Province i wish to Apostille my proffessional documents and send them to South Korea i got a new Job there May you please help i dont know where to go and where to start i have never done this before and its urgent pls help Kat Reply January 29th 2011 at 19 12 Under the heading In South Africa click the link and follow the instructions for getting an apostille All best pengyou wrote June 19th 2011 at 00 40 In Iowa vital records with apostille may be ordered by phone http www idph state ia us apl vital records info asp In one case a fax of an ID was required When ordering by phone you can request that the records be sent across the hall to the Secretary of State s office for an apostille Two charges will be made to your Visa or Mastercard and in about a week the certificates and the apostilles will arrive You must attach the apostille yourself Selfserve photocopiers at major photocopy shipping chains make two sided color copies which could be take in to the consulate to be stamped as true copies of the original Many states contract with a company It requires an extra fee does not seem to have an option to add apostille but ordering can be done through the web Christina wrote August 10th 2011 at 01 19 I was wondering if anyone could help I have to obtain a Apostille for our marriage license to be recognized in California I attempted to call our Greek Agency but they are closed My husband and I were married in Corfu Kerkyra Greece July 3 2010 We had an Orthodox wedding and all legal paperwork filed in Greece But not at home in California We need for our marriage license to be valid and recognized in California We have official notarized the Marriage Certificate which has been registered with the Preficture County of Kerkyra Last time I spoke with the State of CA they wanted an Apostille certification from Greece We have a an official certified copy of the marriage certificate and it is stamped that it is registered with Nomarhia of Corfu signed stamped Now how do I go about getting an Apostille from Greece as requested by the State of California when I am not in Greece I contacted several agencies all in California whom have told me I need to get this from someone in Greece Who How what can i do it has been more than 400 days and I have not had my marriage recognized by California and I would like to be done with this paperwork Thank you in advance Kat Reply August 11th 2011 at 01 08 A marriage conducted and registered certified in Greece is also recognized as a valid marriage in California USA It doesn t matter how many days pass All an apostille does is authenticate a foreign document for international use It does not make your marriage suddenly valid or more valid in another country I already explain in the article above on how to get an apostille for documents originating in Greece under In Greece Christina wrote August 23rd 2011 at 20 16 Hi there and thank you for the response our county Alameda county has requested a Apostle from greece You have indicated that the marriage is certified in Greece and recognized by the USA and so I do not understand why it is still being requested Is there something that i am not understanding They have asked us to bring in an Apostile to be registered in our county as a legal marriage So I am really having a hard time figuring out what my missing piece is and how i can obtain it I truly appreciate your response and your help as I have called the consult and even metropolis and get conflicting info I would like to wrap it all up so any help is truly appreciated I am just looking for my wedding to be legal Kat Reply August 23rd 2011 at 22 04 I believe the main issue is misunderstanding terminology For whatever reason you still think your wedding marriage wasn t legal You got married in Greece the marriage was registered and certified in Greece It s legal A legal marriage in Greece is recognized as a legal marriage in the USA An apostille doesn t certify or recognize your marriage as legal An apostille authenticates your marriage certificate from Greece a foreign document for international use for use outside of Greece Authentication is not the same as certification look it up in the dictionary but you keep using them as if they re interchangeable Alameda country is requesting an apostille on your Greek marriage certificate because the document is not American It s foreign That s it As it says in the article above under In Greece you need to get an apostille for documents originating in Greece either in Greece or arranged through the Greek consulate embassy Good luck John wrote September 14th 2011 at 20 55 I went to a Greek Embassy in Germany and they refused my American birth certificate because they said it didn t have a stamp making it valid in Greece I did have an official translation made signed and stamped by a lawyer in Greece What is this stamp on my birth certificate they are requiring me to have Where can I get it Kat Reply September 14th 2011 at 21 44 When you want to use a document outside the country it was issued you need to get an apostille So if you re trying to use an American document outside the USA you need to have it authenticated back in the state county it was issued so it is suitable for international use It s explained above Further you should have had the apostille applied first then translated Why Because you need to have the apostille translated also Elena wrote November 22nd 2011 at 02 15 Hi Kat Firstly I would like to say that the information on your website was greatly helpful to me I do require some assistance from you on my case specifically I was born in Canada and my Mother is Greek but born in Canada as well My Father was born in Athens I was in Greece in 2006 and attempted to get my tautotita then This is when we discovered that even though I attended and Pediko Stathmo in Greece as a child I did not exist in the books there It turns out my parents had not registered their marriage my birth or their divorce in Greece So now I m back to the beginning trying to get my documents together I am still a bit confused on the documents that I require Also If I do not remember the name of the church I was baptised in in Canada it was a Ukranian Orthodox Church how do I go about obtaining my Baptism Certificate Furthermore I have not heard anything before about having to acquire and apostille for every document Is this true in every case Would the Greek consolate in Vancouver where I live be the best place for me to get started find out where to get my documents apostille Thank you very much for your help in advance Elena Also as an addition to my post above where would I get and apostille Can this be done at a notary public Thank you Kat Reply November 22nd 2011 at 07 07 a Confused about what documents you require for what Greek citizenship Greek passport Greek ID Registering your birth marriage and your parents divorce b If you don t remember what church you were baptized in how can you ask me to guide you on where and how to get your baptism certificate Further I am not Canadian or Ukrainian Orthodox you are Shouldn t you be asking Canadian authorities or inquiring with the Ukrainian Orthodox Archdiocese c Apostille for what Where you get an apostille in each country is clearly spelled out in the article above I m 99 percent certain that you read Greek citizenship by claim of Greek ancestry based on what you said and saw that Comments were closed Please look at the last comment about why they re closed and what I suggest Alex wrote April 18th 2012 at 05 05 Hi I am trying to apply for undergraduate study in Greece and am a little confused about a few things 1 I was able to find a list of the documents required for the application on the Ministry of Education website and it mentions that all documents need to be translated into Greek I live near Washington DC and have read that while the Greek Embassy does not do translation services themselves they provide a list of translators who can do the translation and then the Embassy can certify the translation Would the Ministry of Education in Greece find this acceptable 2 Some of the documents regarding my GPA my transcript etc were drawn up at my high school and notarized as well and or given the official high school seal the notary said that he couldn t notarize the transcript Do I need to get an Apostille as well for all of these documents and the birth certificate etc or is the notary seal enough 3 At least half of the documents that are required for the application such as a certificate stating the the curriculum of my high school follows the curriculum set by the in my case State of Maryland of the USA had to be drawn up by the high school because they simply don t exist in the US Would it be possible to get an Apostille for such a document or would it not be accepted as an official document 4 I need to get an Ypethinsi Dilosi stating that I have never attended a University in Greece so assuming that I can get this at the Greek Embassy or one of the Greek Consulates here in the US would I need an Apostille for this too Thank you very much for your help in advance I am trying to get all of this sorted out so that I can apply at the end of July I have read stories of people that applied without getting any Apostille seals for any documents and their applications were accepted so I am unsure what the real rules are so to speak Alex Kat Reply April 19th 2012 at 13 56 In the interest of full disclosure I ve never been a student in Greece and no one has stepped forward to share their experience as a way to give back this is the reason I do not have an article available Official websites are based solely on government circulars rarely updated and often unreliable inaccurate in communicating what happens in real life That s why I started this website and insist on first hand details 1 Translations You can read what I wrote in Official translations to Greek Different ministries have different rules for different documents and transactions 2 Transcripts and documents issued by a school do not need an apostille They re not official documents issued by a governmental body being used for official use in another country 3 See 2 4 A dilosi is a Greek document written in Greek See Certifying a dilosi for Greece It does not need an apostille because it is a Greek document not a foreign non Greek document being used in Greece Greece is a results may vary country Real rules and the implementation of said rules are completely different issues and can vary according to day person

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    matter if you re a property owner business owner island owner I cannot quote the related policies or articles you seek because they do not exist If they did I would have already revised the article and given my sources above Answer 2 The article was last updated December 29 2010 as denoted in the first section and I don t know any country that makes changes to its Citizenship Code twice in less than a year There s no such thing as a green card for Greece There are residence work permits for non EU citizens and I explain the most common ones at How non EU citizens can get a permit to move live and work in Greece The one I suppose is most applicable to your boss is How to get a visa and residence permit for Greece In closing I d like to explain something that may help you and your boss There are three types of resources on Greece a Official websites a recent innovation offered primarily in Greek that are often poorly written poorly translated if at all rife with bureaucratic jargon inaccurate incomplete and or not updated b Unofficial websites started bought and or written by people with no credentials or actual knowledge compiled with plagiarized material for the purpose of driving traffic and making money on travel packages or advertising expat forums where anyone can contribute and information is not moderated or cited with sources c Unofficial websites written by people with credentials and first hand experience where sources are attributed When I started this website in 2007 the only credible online resource was livingincrete net for UK EU citizens There were no official government consular embassy or EU websites in existence and no articles pertaining to non EU citizens The landscape has changed as my website concept has been copied and plagiarized by people entities I won t name but you will continue to come up empty handed if you depend on official government websites as primary sources Hiring a Greek translator or adept attorney may help but the problem with this is they won t have first hand experience as a non EU citizen with bureaucracy which is always different than what s written in policy Greece is and will be in financial crisis for several years It is not over so I don t know what you mean by after I do not know anyone who has bought or is buying an island so I cannot help you further Naomi wrote April 26th 2011 at 19 26 My child was born in Greece but he left Greece at the age of 2 years old I am not a Greek citizen nor did i have a legal status at the time of my child s birth which is 18 years ago My child has a Greek birth certificate and lives in Afrika My question is can my child still claim Greek citizenship Regards Naomi Kat Reply April 27th 2011 at 00 52 Answer is in the article above You also didn t provide enough information and my answer will reflect that 1 Citizenship in any country is a lawful privilege so you must be legal in order to stake a claim 2 Simply being born in Greece does not entitle your child to Greek citizenship Take a look at the article In your son s case the only way he can stake a claim to Greek citizenship is if his father is a Greek citizen If his father is Greek follow the link given under ancestry for detailed instructions on how he can apply If the father is not Greek then the answer is no Nick wrote July 4th 2011 at 13 47 Comment 1 i m from a non eu country and i live in Greece since 2002 i m studying in Greece for almost 9 years one more year and i finish high school triti lykeioy i came legally in the country and nowadays i am interested in obtaining greek citizenship since it could prove helpful for many reasons such as studying in EU s universities none of my parents are greek but both of them live here for more than 10 years can i obtain greek citizenship Comment 2 i m not sure i can find anything similar to my case as i understand due to the fact that i was not born in greece and i am not of greek ethnic origin i do not have any way of taking citizenship am i right please be patient Kat Reply July 4th 2011 at 18 00 Answer 1 Your question is already answered in the above article Take a look and follow the relevant links Answer 2 I ll give you the answer You qualify for Greek citizenship a By Attending School See the entry above called By Attending School in Greece However see the section Challenge to new Greek Citizenship Code 3838 2010 where it says applications are hold and why b By Naturalization See entry above called By Naturalization Click the link and look at everything you must do to apply Neither of these methods requires you to be born in Greece the child of a Greek or Greek yourself Answers 3 and 4 Your third and fourth comments contained redundant questions already answered in the Naturalization article and were deleted per my Comment Question policy I m very patient I translated a 52 page law from Greek to English collected first hand information wrote up all the articles and made them available for free I doubt you ll find the same assistance anywhere else but the information can only help you if you help yourself and you have a difficult road ahead in applying for Greek citizenship if you cannot do that Nicole wrote July 13th 2011 at 19 45 Hi Kat I can t get over the plethora of knowledge you have on this subject and I m sure everyone not only those who ve commented but those that visit your site appreciates your guidance as this process can get confusing So thank you I do actually have a question and I will avoid all the nitty gritty details but I m trying to help my mom get Greek citizenship She was born in Romania but is 100 greek She lived in Greece for a few years but she and her parents fled the country during the communist takeover As a result she had to renounce her Greek citizenship as dual citizenship did not exist at the time so she does not have a copy of her old passport Now she would like to become a dual US Greek citizen but would she still have to apply under Ancestry descent or origin Would that apply to her even though she was a citizen herself And if she is accepted as her daughter would I be able to apply and likely be accepted obviously after all her work is official Thank you for your help Kat Reply July 14th 2011 at 01 14 I cannot advise you for two reasons a I do not know enough about your mother s case to dispense an accurate answer or research one b from the little I know it sounds like a special case that requires advice from a consular official at the Greek embassy consulate nearest your residence or someone on staff at the citizenship office in Athens You can find the contact information at the end of Greek citizenship via ancestry Whether you are later eligible depends on how and why she was granted Greek citizenship The majority of claims through parents or grandparents must prove an ancestor born in Greece Thank you for your kind words It s difficult to gauge whether people appreciate what I do because they rarely say anything positive or give back to the website I m plagiarized daily and ridiculed by the same people I help and many still think official sites are more accurate though it s been proven they re not I continue doing it because the few that do say nice things and give back make it worth it and I believe it serves the greater good Kat wrote July 18th 2011 at 15 06 I don t know whether you deleted my post or where it went but my questions were genuine I just wanted to know 1 if i have a certified birth cert marriage cert and everything else in order whether you know of applications that have gone through without the pistopoiitiko oikogeneiakis katastasis 2 whether applying for citizenship in the current climate is wise my cousin has told me greece is still functional and running as usual though i don t want to be caught in an overly long waiting process Thanks in advance for your answers Kat Kat Reply July 18th 2011 at 15 14 Due to my professional and personal commitments I asked that persons of Greek origin seek help on citizenship from their local Greek consulate embassy or friends relatives if it was not covered by my article You ignored me found another post with comments open and left questions anyway they were not deleted they were answered you should have been notified via email there was an answer check spam and there have been 10 comments since Take a look http livingingreece gr 2007 07 09 acquiring greek citizenship by foreign nationals of greek origin P S I disagree with your cousin on as usual and provide evidence crazyeb1986 wrote July 24th 2011 at 19 37 So here s my dilemma I was born to australian parents with no greek ancestry We had always been with greeks all our lives I went to an evening greek school since i was 3 I m greek orthodox I speak greek I think i have the same mentality I travel to greece two times a year for a period of three months oh and my parents studied in greece and met there and some relatives non greeks are married to greeks So after all this am i eligible to apply for greek citizenship Kat Reply July 24th 2011 at 20 01 Seriously No Read the article There are people who live and work 24 7 365 in Greece speak Greek like natives and breathe everything Greece including me but that doesn t make us Greek citizens If it did we d all be At most you re a Philhellene or Graecophile and I think you should look up the definition of dilemma mary wrote August 12th 2011 at 10 56 Shall I pose a question too What happens if you enter Greek university and stay in Greece for approximately 7 years I also hold a B2 language certificate in Greek Is university under the category school or does this apply only for children Kat Reply August 12th 2011 at 12 35 The entry refers to children of legal long term residents living in Greece and school means primary secondary school which is why the application deadline is expected to be on or around the applicant s 18th birthday Greece and the majority of if not all countries around the world do not count time spent as a foreign university student toward citizenship because it s understood that he she will go home after the course of study the sole reason he she was granted temporary permission to be in the country The new Greek Citizenship Code was rewritten to include those with a permanent connection to this country including non EU children who were born raised attended school in Greece and have known no other country Also because public Greek universities are free and students are notorious for taking 5 10 years to graduate or not it makes no sense to grant citizenship to people being supported by taxpayer money yonan wrote September 27th 2011 at 15 09 Comment 1 I like your website It s good to find some thing like that for free My mother from Egypt My father from Greece who was born and rise in Greece and from Greek family live in Greece They married in Greece and Egypt 15 years ego but they got divorce before I born So since this time we do not have any contact with that whom called my father I don t know any thing about him but my mother have her marriage certificate the Greek one some thing called Dimous or Family record old one only include my mother name and my father name not me So I know throw your web that I can apply for Greek citizenship but when I went to consulate they tolled me we consider you as missing Greek citizen you will not have it and why you need it you live all your life in Egypt you don t speak Greek language they treat me very bad and that hurts me so much Just in that day I understood why my mother does not want to hear any thing about Greece because they treat people very bad especially who does not know Greek language Now I am 14 years old But after 2 years I had to apply for army so I need to have my Greek citizen paper with me as long as it s written in my birth certificate that my father from another country I cant ignore their request in that its army needs and paper should be ready I only have Egyptian nationality from my mother Also I was born in Egypt So can you tell me what I can do in that please Thanks for that great website Comment 2 I can see you usually answer people in the same date but in my case it s not as usual So may be you are in vacation enjoy it I wish for you happy time but please when you are able to answer me please do that I hope you are ok Thanks Comment 3 What I asked you already were Question end with Also when I mention vacation its not some thing bad to make you upset give you the right to tell me go else where I know you did that web for free but that is not give you the right to be harsh like that what all I said enjoy your time and please when you have time there is no need to give people felling that you are upper hand than them because you know information they does not know Comment 4 If I meant you ignore my question I will say that directly not as you pretend that was very clear from my word my word was very polite give deep good excuse to you if you don t understand it its mean the issue in you not in my word I said you usually answer people very soon so that mean your people should be thankful for that then I gave you excuse why you did not answer me in the same day or after 2 days Before I say some thing I look to your history in answering to the other Now big hand to you because you are very cleaver actor whom can make truth upside down instead of apologize or explanation with polite way you directly meant the other side whom using not suitable word You mentioned I born outside marriage but I came from marriage relation Even if my parents divorce before I born because it s not mean as you mention out of marriage relation baby needs time in his mother uterus till he born You don t know duration of pregnancy lady My mother could be pregnant in me without knowing that till 2 month pass or at least one month half So divorce during pregnancy not mean that my father should recognize me if the low say that it s not low it s a tool for injustice Kat Reply September 27th 2011 at 18 04 In reverse order Answer 4 In the case of a child born to a non Greek woman and Greek man and in some cases even two Greek citizens the parents must be married during a woman s pregnancy and at the time of a child s birth in order for the child to stake a claim to citizenship via ancestry You said they were divorced before you were born Thus as I said you were born outside marriage The answers I give are based on facts and whatever information you made available to me If you take issue with them direct complaints at the Greek government not the messenger I do not ask that people be grateful but I again remind you that I m not obligated in any way to help you for free Answer 3 Where does it say I have the upper hand Anyone has the ability to acquire the information and knowledge I have through translation research and experience Unfortunately most people just plagiarize me and spread rumors You mention how I answered others but not you as if I were ignoring you Seriously You had only been waiting one day and I am not obligated to answer any questions I also do not see where I was upset or harsh I quickly stated facts and gave you options That s all Answer 2 From Sept 28 I m definitely not on vacation Read Comments Questions and Contacting Me to understand my commitments If it s a question I can answer quickly I do If it s not I can t If you cannot wait please go elsewhere for assistance Answer 1 If you read the article above you should know that you do not qualify for Greek citizenship Why a You were not born in Greece b Your father is Greek but your mother and father divorced before you were born Therefore you were born outside marriage and never registered in the Dimous family record which means c Your father must recognize you as his son or be forced by a court before the age of 18 as it says in the article above under By Recognition Until then you are not in any way eligible for Greek citizenship you cannot apply for citizenship and you cannot get any papers related to being a Greek citizen Per my Comment policy I had the right to delete your questions because they were redundant and already answered above Instead I took the time and energy to repeat myself and not publish new information that would have helped hundreds of others Good luck Jennifer wrote October 4th 2011 at 20 02 I am an American citizen 25 years old born to a Greek American father born in NY and Greek mother born in Greece moved to the US when she was 30 years old What is the best way for me to apply for citizenship I have tried contacting the Greek Consulate in New York but getting through to them is difficult I know that I qualify for citizenship but what do I need to present to them in order to begin the process Thanks for your help Kat Reply October 4th 2011 at 21 01 I get the feeling you didn t read the article Look at the fourth bullet point click the link to Acquiring citizenship by claim of Greek origin and follow the instructions Bilal wrote October 25th 2011 at 06 43 Hello I am from Pakistan I want to know that how can I get nationality of Greek Can I buy it like some counties people pay some money and they get nationality and whole citizenship I will be very thankful to you Kat Reply October 25th 2011 at 10 03 I already answered this question previously The only ways to get Greek citizenship are listed above in the article Bryan wrote November 3rd 2011 at 19 11 I have a question and I apologize if you ve already answered it somewhere At the time of my birth in the US my mother was married to a Greek citizen Unfortunately she has not heard from him in decades and does not know where he was born I need to know where he was born in order to obtain his birth certificate in order to apply for Greek citizenship All I have are his name and approximate age from his marriage certificate I read on one of your posts that you don t necessarily recommend hiring lawyers to help with citizenship cases but I was wondering to whom I could turn for help with this Are there any Greek investigators who can find out this sort of thing Thank you so much for your time patience and your informative articles Kat Reply November 3rd 2011 at 19 36 A similar question was answered on Greek citizenship via ancestry and I know you read that post saw that comments were closed and came over here to ask a question which I specifically discourage The family record oikogeneiaki merida belongs to the Greek citizen and he she chooses who is listed in it and where it s located it s not necessarily located where he was born If you are not listed or recognized as his son by blood or legal adoption you cannot access these records even if you knew where it was Hiring a lawyer or investigator will not help The only way the issue can be forced is if you re under the age of 18 as explained above via Recognition When staking a claim to Greek citizenship through an ancestor it is assumed you have an active relationship with them or at least basic knowledge because it is this relationship that grants you the lawful right If this relationship is in question then so is your right to claim citizenship nuvam wrote November 6th 2011 at 07 23 I have a dellema here can you please help me Well I am a citizen of Nepal and I am married with Greek women Is there any process or chances for me to get Greek passport or citizenship as we are planning to shift in Greece And I have never been to Greece she is here with me now and we get married here in Nepal Also help me that how can I enter Greece with her to meet her parents If I can apply for that then please kindly tell me how Thank you for your patience Kat Reply November 6th 2011 at 12 39 You didn t read the article 1 There s no chance of you getting Greek citizenship or a passport You need to live in Greece many years speak the language and pass many hurdles Marriage alone is not enough See the section called Marrying for Greek citizenship or click the link above for Naturalization 2 I already say how it can be done Click the link above for Naturalization If you want to visit Greece you need a visa See Countries that need a visa for Greece The information can only help you if you help yourself I do not offer free personal consultation The hard work of translating research experience writing editing and updating was done all you need to do is read and follow instructions Goodbye and good luck adam wrote November 20th 2011 at 02 25 living legal in Greece since 2003 working for big telecommunication company have two children one born in Greece and other in UK Pay all my taxes more than 2000 euros a year now But none of my children has acquired a Greek citizenship My wife resident permit was not renewed because of the new law which says you must have at least 10000 euros of tax a year to manage a family that is ridiculer because I missed to pay some taxes on 2008 now I wanted to apply for my children they told me we must have completed five years of permit both parent and no veveos and I have more than that but because my permit was always late to come out for renewal if you plus all the durations I have it is not completed 5 years About my newborn I was told to find my embassy to issue her a passport and to apply for resident permit instead of citizenship so do not expect anything even the Greek language they only accept certificate from Greek University which cost 800 a year but to get place cost you 5 years because there is only one in every municipal Kat Reply November 20th 2011 at 13 02 Regarding your wife s residence permit it is not a new law Immigration policy in place since 2005 says a non EU citizen in Greece supporting another non EU citizen must have a minimum declared income of 8 500 per year plus 20 percent more for a dependent spouse and 15 percent for each child Whether you think it s ridiculous is irrelevant because it s the law and they are implementing it Under the new Greek citizenship law passed in 2010 children born in Greece to non Greek parents can only claim citizenship if both parents can prove continuous legal residency in Greece for five years Greek authorities know how long you and your wife have been here legally with a bebaiosi or residence permit as it s stored in a database The main issue is your wife does not have legal status in Greece not whether you had a bebaiosi or permit The best solution for your newborn is to get a passport issued by your country of origin and apply for a Greek residence permit And if you want to fix the situation with your wife s residence permit you can still file your taxes for 2008 pay a penalty and then apply for her permit and pay another penalty otherwise she must technically leave Greece The Ombudsman can help you for free Good luck Melina wrote December 2nd 2011 at 21 28 Twitter messages Dec 02 8 45pm I need you advice as soon as possible about greek citizenship so if you can help me please start following me an send me DM Dec 02 9 37pm I sent you post on your site livingingreece gr 2007 10 16 im Please answer I will be so boring to you these days Comment 1 Dear dear dear Kat I spent now few hours reading about all information posted on this site And I know you are probably busy busy man and I also start to follow you on twitter because I need your advice and help and there is no email posted btw I think this is a smart decision because there is always a way to get to you if person are patient and persistent enough My question is about requiring greece citizenship You are probably thinking now that I didn t read all that text carefully but trust me I did And regardless of that I have one question about my situation I am non EU citinzship from Croatia I was born and raised in Zagreb Croatia I m 25 years old My biological father is greek born and raised there and his dad and family are greeks also After I was born my biological father left to Greece and he and my mother were never married and he never officially admitted me in Greece so I don t have for now greek birth certificate Meanwhile when I was a little girl 4 years old my mother got married to croatian man and that man my croatian father admitted me as his daughter and I got his last name and new birth certificat where stand that he is my father After years of not knowing my situation in the age of 10 I found out that my croatian father is not my biological father and finally I met my biological father this September 2011 when I was in visit My croatian family accepted that great and my greek family also I called today greek Embassy in Zagreb today and they told me that is possible for me to ask greece sitizenship and that we need to do is that my biological father admits me as his daughter and that I need to have a paper caled birth certificat Lady also said that I don t need to even change my name and take my biological father name if my biological father agrees with that he would have to wrote a statement where he claims that he is OK with that It would me fair from me that I tell you why I m doing this Well first I have a strong wish to work abroad Switzerland maybe and it s hard for me as a non EU country citizenship find a job and get a work permit well withouh marrie some guy And second it s because I didn t know who my biological father is for 25 years I never met him or saw him that I now And now I done that and I see that he is a good man and whole that situacian broght me a lot of good things I feel closer to Greece and I would like to learn language culture more that history classes and expirience Greece in all her beauty Now I m coming to my question s 1 Can I have dual citizenship croatian and greek I think I can in Croatia is allowed to have dual citizenship and I think in Greece is the same I m just checking 2 Is a problem that I already in my country have a father on paper A birth certificate where is listed that my father is another man and not my greek biological father Is there any option where I can prove like DNA test that my greek father is my biological father in order to ask for this right citizenship this refers to if there is a problem because I have another father on papper 3 After I and if I get my greek birth certificate and then citizenship do I have same rights like citizens of EU Can I work in foreign country using my greece citizenship This is for now I m very intrigued by this idea and I will be persistant and patient Please answer me this is veeery important for me if you have time on my comment here or on my email What ever you like Thank you in advance and hear you soon Yours sincerely Melina and yes I have a greek name Comment 2 Same message left again at 2011 12 05 at 00 00 Comment 3 Left at 2011 12 05 at 21 32 It s that easy to offend you ha I m a good person and I don t know why are you ignoring me that much It s stupid and childish from you and I don t need your help if you are so ridged No I don t want your help acually I have friends there and I will find out what I want to know I really can not believe that a man with such reputation like you have can behave to people like that I wouldn t say a thing if you just deleted my post but you sent me 5 twitter messages to let me know that I was rude for you and in one of that message you said you will answer me That s just mean but you don t care what I think right You will probably delete this also I said I was sorry TWICE because I upset you in some way and I reapet it was not my intention in any way I was trying to be kind nice and funny but it isn t enough for you I hope that as many people read this comment Goodbye Niko wrote December 21st 2011 at 02 35 Hey I m an 18 year old guy my father was born in greece and is a Greek citizen My mother however is american I ve lived in Greece for a couple of years while i was younger and now want to gain a Greek Citzenship I am a little unclear on what i need to apply I know i need my birth certificate my Fathers and my Mothers Then i need their marriage papers from America and greece My parents are not married in Greece therefore how do i go about that and what other paper work do i need Kat Reply December 21st 2011 at 06 49 You need to read the article above and click the link in the fourth bullet point called Acquiring Greek citizenship by claim of Greek origin Beyond that I do not offer personal consultation for reasons stated in the last comment attached to that article aamir wrote January 8th 2012 at 18 31 hi i am asian and a resident of pakistan i want to get GREEK passport trough by getting marraige to a GREEK girl well it is possiabale if yes then how plzzz inform me 1 Kat Reply January 8th 2012 at 20 48 My answer is the same one given to nuvam above you or you can click the link to Greek citizenship via naturalization or see the section above called Marrying for Greek citizenship and read that being married to a Greek is not enough You are not eligible for Greek citizenship or a Greek passport amjad wrote January 31st 2012 at 13 03 Hi I have a question regarding the Greek law for citizenship i am from palestine I have a non EU passport I was born in Greece in 1980 and lived there with my parents for 6 years and in 2002 i come back Greece for studying and i stayed till 2009 legelly legally my family is living in greece and some of them have the greece citizenship my sister and my father can i apply in the consulate for a citizenship or i have apply for visa and do my job in greece thanks Kat Reply January 31st 2012 at 16 57 As it says in the article above Laws are not retroactive You cannot apply for Greek citizenship under today s laws based on birth to immigrant parents or a period of schooling residence that occurred in the past if you no longer live in Greece You are not eligible for Greek citizenship Orgesa wrote February 12th 2012 at 18 51 Your comment was moved to the article Greek passport Khalid wrote February 15th 2012 at 14 17 I am a Palestinian refugee no nationality and have received a job offer to go live and work in Athens If I live there for a long while and become fluent in Greek and study about Hellenic history and civilization would it be possible to obtain the Greek passport and become a Greek citizen Kat Reply February 15th 2012 at 14 50 Answer is in the first section of the article above Click the link for Naturalization to see all the requirements philippe wrote February 26th 2012 at 13 12 Hi Simply question I m greek citizen living abroad established officially with permit in Switzerland from birth married to a Belarussian woman since 4 years who has a valid official living and working permit in Switzerland How many years before she can get the greek citizenship There s no children and we live in Switzerland Thanks for your reply Philippe Kat Reply February 26th 2012 at 13 28 Simple answer Read the entry for By Naturalization in the bulleted list and the section called Marrying for Greek citizenship It s not as simple as getting married just as I told commentators nuvam and aamir who asked the same question alekbodjo wrote February 29th 2012 at 20 13 hello and greetings i would like to ask

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  • Cost of living in Greece vs. the world 2009
    Best regards Tobias Kat Reply July 14th 2009 at 18 07 I m open to critical comments and for the record I never stated my own opinion anywhere so how would anyone know whether I think these studies are great If you take issue with Mercer s methodology and findings I think it s only fair we read the entire report before passing judgment and anyone is free to complain to them directly tobias cooks wrote July 15th 2009 at 16 10 Well I seem to have gotten you wrong then In my RSS feed your article begins with the statement Athens Greece is the 28th most expensive city in the world for 2009 though quality of living and salary standards remain low Cost of living is set to rise further with new taxes taking effect This sounds a lot like you would be posting your opinion based on the study by Mercer But you updated the post anyhow and now it sounds much more neutral I gladly read the entire report Can I borrow your copy Best regards Tobias Kat Reply July 16th 2009 at 19 08 The excerpt you quoted is handwritten separately from the article itself for SEO purposes The original post has not been changed or updated since it was published it was always neutral I respect your opinion however there are 12 new taxes taking effect this month and another set in October to raise more than 2 billion euros and there s no way the cost of living can go down under those circumstances it s a factual statement Mercer reports are available direct from their PR office where you can also voice your opinion about their methodology All best john wrote July 19th 2009 at 23 34 Cost of living in Greece is fluctuating and opinionated To actually understand the living expenses that come with Greece you need to hear and learn about it from the locals themselves Kat Reply July 20th 2009 at 20 09 What a strange comment from someone living in the USA We are locals living and working in Greece Plus a comprehensive cost comparison of common products and services is done every year on this website since 2007 and has been republished in Greek by Proto Thema and Kathimerini fd wrote August 1st 2009 at 15 59 if you are so anti greece why are you there for the past 10 years or so you obviously are enjoying your stay i can go on and on about some sh tty laws america has but i dont because i live here and i have just accepted things maybe you should just accept greece for what it is and stop complaining Kat Reply August 1st 2009 at 22 11 The only person complaining is you This post isn t based on my research and contains no opinion I ve obviously accepted life as is or you wouldn t be under the impression I m enjoying my stay If you did

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  • Journey to “Hellas”
    poet but a hero photene wrote March 7th 2008 at 15 55 Thanks Kat that was beautiful and a great way to start the day I wasn t familiar with this poem Greece Hellas Ellada will always harken back to its Golden Age it lays like a veil over the country and distorts or should I say softens the view it s so much prettier more romantic when in soft focus In spite of 500 yrs of occupation the blood of the ancients runs through our veins at least I know it feels like it runs through mine and slumbers there until awoken and this morning it was with this poem Have a great day evening vasilis wrote March 9th 2008 at 08 58 Such a sweet poem about Greece Really loved it graffic wrote March 11th 2008 at 19 51 Nice to discover something new I didn t know about Percy Bysshe Shelly kieron wrote March 16th 2008 at 23 49 Like you I also ended up in Greece by accident not design Before that Greece was more of an idea more a cultural reference point of Shelley s kind than a country to me Sometimes I too wonder how it happens that I ve settled here Two answers come to mind 1 I feel happy and unthreatened among the Greeks as a people 2 Greece inspires me I am a painter by hobby in a way my native country could not I think I still look at this country through rose tinted spectacles of the sort that Shelly and the Romantics undoubtedly wore A country as an ideal But I realise now that I am never going to take them off Kat wrote March 17th 2008 at 00 00 S Often when you speak write to me in Greek it makes more sense to me and touches me in ways that my native language cannot It s a very rich language much like the culture and history of this country I feel blessed that I can read what only used to look like symbols and hear voices of the ancients tell their stories Filia P Nice to hear from you again and thank you There is much glory to be inspired by Modern Greece should take note of what can be accomplished instead of what s left to ruin V mou Being a poet yourself I m not surprised When I read your verse in Greek even when I can t understand every single word it is more precise in expression than if I translate it to English G I learn a lot from you as well K Actually I was joking a bit when I said I wonder how I got here My humor is sometimes subtle or dry I m actually here out of love for the country and my move s were intentional after that day on Syntagma This post describes what happened before that day which is described in 6 on the Best of

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  • My infatuation with Dimitris Basis
    I think it is einai gata einai gata o kontos xoris kravata not patata yes we all have fond memories of Greek pop music from 15 years ago Kat wrote October 17th 2007 at 22 25 A I did see Kotsiras and barely recognized him without his flowing mane Thanks for leaving a comment today I ve been to your site before months ago and seen your name at MGO and Ted s former site T Good note on pronunciation I didn t include it because I figure those who know him or know how the Greek language works already know or could figure it out I love his voice The S One of the only things I had when I first came here was a cheap radio and only channels with pulsing trance or Greek music came in clear I opted for the latter It was different and difficult at first but something about it connects with me because although I couldn t understand the words I could feel the emotion with some songs bringing tears and I didn t know why I know now only because I know the words Music connects on so many levels Y LOL In another post I ll post the clip of Sakis falling down during closing ceremonies for you There s a funny story that goes with it Anyway I m a bit skilou but you know it s a good way to learn Greek phrases because they say them over and over again which is much like any music really I m always told I m jealous as well if I point out someone s had some work done on their face or body but I don t know why I d be envious of stretched skin and silicone bags hanging at my knees by the time I m 50 G Expand your vocabulary and music range come to Kat s site haha S After listening to people like Bocelli and Pavarotti in Italy Austria and the USA Fragoulis sounds a bit like amateur vanilla to me I know that s not fair but I can hear the difference Too bad I missed Basis though Last week wasn t a good week for me I could have used a dose of something Basis isn t really a newcomer He was signed to Warner in 1997 when he was 20 performed with Alexiou the next year and the video of him and Kotsiras is from 1999 Maybe what you mean is isn t hyped I d rather have longevity as a singer musician than trendiness in the fickle mainstream any day He s only 30 he hopefully has a long career ahead P I used to keep in touch with the Greek music scene while I was in the USA by listening to Greek stations filtered over the Internet and visiting the local Greek music store The older stuff only comes into my realm when someone new does a cover A LOL I think the women were more concerned when he fell than the men I couldn t see any smirks but a bunch of us laughed After attending the closing all my co workers asked me was did you see Sakis fall down Nothing about if I had a good time or how amazing it was to see it in person X Patata is somehow funnier isn t it I don t know the song so I m lost Tommy wrote December 17th 2007 at 06 11 Im trying to find the song saranta kimata by basis does anyone know what album its from or where i can find it Kat wrote December 17th 2007 at 06 59 You can t find it because it s not called Saranta Kimata The song is called PSITHYROI KARDIAS You can take a look at his discography on http www mpasis gr it lists every album and every song on each The video is above in the article KT wrote July 16th 2008 at 00 25 I find mpasis attractive and I like al ot of his songs Christina wrote January 14th 2009 at 23 28 Hi Kat I thought of you and this post when I saw Mpasis on Sthn Ygeia Mas on Christmas Eve I later found the show on VEOH TV and downloaded it If you cannot find it I will send you the link Mpasis has a great voice and he makes really difficult stuff look sound very easy I also thought that particular episode of Sthn Ygeia Mas was very entertaining with lots of kefi Eleni from No Cal wrote June 20th 2011 at 03 23 Kat I just read your post on Basis Infatuation might be a mild word I received his two CDs about a month ago and haven t taken them out of my CD player yet I don t get tired of him on the contrary I can t get enough of him I m about to search for more of his CDs at greekcity com where I get most of my Greek music He is amazing and yes beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or in this case the listener Thanks for sharing my infatuation or mild obsession LOL Kat Reply June 21st 2011 at 00 44 So we have a few things in common We re both from No Cal and like Basis Not to torture you but Basis Kotsiras and Mitropanos are performing together at Lykavitos on Monday Thank you for saying hello and sharing my infatuation obsession Three Greek Singers Cyprus Times wrote July 27th 2011 at 18 33 The Elysium Hotel was delighted to play host to the press conference to announce the music concert held at the local Paphos Stadium on the 22nd July 2011 The headline acts for this event were Yiannis Kotsiras Dimitris Mitropanos Dimitris Basis Milica wrote June 22nd 2012 at 14 24 I Love Dimitris too I would like to know WHEN he

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  • Famous bands from my California hometown
    legends RIP California Love L A Marin 1996 youtube http youtube com watch v 5j6HmGzj3EQ Related posts Crazy American things Taste of America in Greece Permalink 1 Comment DIO wrote November 17th 2007 at 14 06 Santana 2Pac talking about big influences in my life occasionally role models I d like to add E 40 in that list too but hey it s your list anyway you got some pretty cool old school music here Your comment Name required E Mail Required not published Website optional Click to cancel reply Notify me of follow up comments via e mail HTML Tags a href title abbr title acronym title b blockquote cite cite code del datetime em i q cite strike strong Greek News RT PGiannakouris Clouds over the ancient Acropolis hill Ap photo Petros Giannakouris https t co jFy9mSPzNA RT nytimesworld Tales of break ins burglaries and robberies accompany the Greek debt crisis http t co dPVxf6vOb2 http t co diLJm39OQa RT graemewearden Greek parliament approves bailout reform package as it happened http t co qs5iiGi4Ju http t co 64IhO9LCts RT TheEconomist Here is an effort to explain the Greek deal in all its absurdity http t co M5vRLtUHr3 http t co a245q6cV6h Banks open today in Greece but many limitations and capital controls still in place naftemporikigr http t co JgPaqMcgIK RT TheEconomist No means yes Signing a humiliating agreement is just the start for Greece http t co UyDFKUZ6rB http t co G26avOjX3E RT graemewearden Greek crisis Protests in Athens ahead of tonight s bailout vote live Photos Reuters AP http t co qpBFeTSk6F http Follow livingingreece Best of 1 KTEL Buses of Greece 2 Acquiring EU citizenship through ancestry or naturalization 3 Jobs and salaries in Athens Greece 4 Free Greek language lessons 5 Best places to work in Greece 6 Should I move to Greece 7 Taste of America in Greece 8 How to start a business in Greece 9 Athens Greece Cost of living Best of An American in Athens 1 Four songs in Greek that make me cry 2 Why don t you speak Greek fluently 3 Thanks to Greece I ve been reunified with myself 4 More windows on Greek TV than my house 5 Cockroaches and courthouses leases and landlords in Athens 6 Girl of the Greek green clover 7 The nightbird For Americans non EU citizens 1 How Americans non EU citizens can get a permit to live and work in Greece 2 Common jobs for English speaking foreigners in Greece 3 Jobs at the American Embassy in Greece 4 Overstaying a visa in Greece 5 Residence work permit for American non EU family members of Greek EU citizens 6 FAQ Greek work and or residence permits 7 Value of a university degree in Greece For Greek citizens 1 Greek citizenship by claim of Greek origin descent or ancestry 2 American Greek dual citizenship 3 Greek national ID or tautotita 4 How to get a Greek passport 5 Getting married in

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  • One day on the island of Ios
    chuckle at the ads for Barmaid Waitress etc And wonder if I should try and apply LOL Keep up the writing and the humor The Scorpion wrote October 5th 2007 at 11 54 Wow sorry to hear you had to go through that nonsense I was in IOS in Summer of 1986 and had a blast but always heard horror stories about this Chief of Police or Police Commander called O Ksanthos the Blond one They said he was ruthless with tourists and people were afraid of him So when me and posse finally had a run in with him in a local taverna he turned out to be a pussy cat A little placed Edo Ellada and Den Variese combined with how much we love living in IOS all in Greek and this local sheriff ended up sitting down with us and having a drink So I wonder what those other tourists had done to get his wrath Sorry if the story was a bit off topic but your story brought back my memories of IOS as well John wrote October 8th 2007 at 14 07 Just wanted to say a quick well done to your articles and comments especially in the last few weeks Thanks John Anonymous wrote October 13th 2007 at 04 04 Well humor and reflection is all well and good and indeed keeps one healthier but exual exploitation is not a very light topic and occasionally a healthy degree of outrage is required If these women were threatened or worse abused to do the bidding for this guy that s a very serious matter as great as it is that it worked out easily and well for you it doesn t sound like a happy ending for everyone involved Kat wrote October 13th 2007 at 08 47 R I know it happens to people everywhere AND there are a lot of nice proper employers everywhere also This is just a story of what happened to me personally within the first month of being here Funny now but not so much back then In fact I never told my parents about it or Rhodes BTM If you ever need a job I can refer you directly to Mr Nikos LOL Peace The S Don t be sorry I d always heard rumors of it happening before I came here but never found anyone telling their story I wanted to tell the story because it s real and needs to be heard it s not just rumors and whispers Some 99 5 of stories on this site are told with humor and reflection there s no whining or anger Life s too short I see it as something that colored my life and laugh about it You re also free to share your stories if mine reminds you of something you and others probably have many that I d be interested in hearing Anonymous I am outraged by many things but I don t use this site to rant lecture or recreate Greek drama because everyone makes choices based on situation and need I use this site to voice different views and put stories out there that others aren t willing to share in order to raise awareness about the issue presented which is still very much a serious reality not garner sympathy for myself since I dealt with it and moved on I believe I accomplished that alex wrote December 2nd 2011 at 00 22 I m Greek American and this story is appalling while also only in retrospect and at a distance humorous I just wanted to ask does a guy like that really think that any woman would respond positively to such treatment Kat Reply December 2nd 2011 at 07 36 Apparently yes Both Irina and the American girl I mentioned accepted that arrangement and there may have been others though I didn t stay long enough to learn how many I don t judge them because I don t know what circumstances they were escaping or why they couldn t find something better but I felt fortunate I had the financial means and fortitude to go back to Athens or America and start again It is appalling which is why I told the story But I thought it was also important to add humor to send a hopeful message and help people understand that it s in the past at least for me Thank you for your comment and question Henrique wrote March 21st 2014 at 07 34 i was in IOS in 2007 and 2010 i was just browsing in the internet and im thinking about going this year again as im tired of the UK and need some fresh air i think it might be the first time in my life im posting my opinion in a blog but this got personal haha as the same thing happened to my girlfriend in 2007 with the same Mr Nikos unfortunately for Mr Nikos my girlfriend s boyfriend me wasnt in Athens and i dealt with him pretty nasty so in some way i took revenge for you as well Mr Nikos is indeed a very powerful man on the island but also a very dirty man and that punch felt really good take care Kat Reply March 31st 2014 at 01 36 It s sad to hear that he s still doing the same thing more than a decade later and your girlfriend and I had the same experience some people never learn or change Thank you for taking the time to share this story I m honored to have your first blog comment and for taking revenge for me Wishing you all the best Holmes wrote August 19th 2014 at 00 25 Bad story but funny too I was in Ios for 4 seasons from 90 94 and thoroughly enjoyed it I worked at the Dubliner and the Sweet Irsh dream and at Max s restaurant in the 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